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??? Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM

Because two women can hold anyone (see Vandene/Adelease etc), but they add a third to hold Semirhage for caution's sake. Egwene can be held by one woman who knows what she's doing, once again proving to you both in the midst of your chaos that Egwene isn't close to Forsaken strength. Its fantastic when squabbling sinks your own theories :P


Wow. That's a twisted bit of logic. First, I don't think I've even stated that Egwene bing close to Semirhage means they're the same strength. I put Semi at 90-95, and Egwene at 75. That's a considerable distance.

Secondly, while we're told three weak Aes Sedai are enough to hold Semrihage, in the case of Egwene, we're uniformly talking of the strongest of Aes Sedai. Makes a ton of difference to the numbers you'll see.

I'm insisting that one woman as strong as Silviana can hold Egwene, and your counter to that is that two weak women like Daigian and Elza can hold Semirhage? Bravo!


But why do you struggle to read simple English? That's not at all what I said.

I'm saying that the fact that one woman can hold Egwene implies that she's significantly weaker than the Forsaken. It takes two women to hold a high level channeler. It took two to hold Nynaeve, and RJ even admitted that one had a shielding Talent.
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Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1113 Views
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see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1066 Views
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We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 995 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1001 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1207 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 951 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1019 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 976 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1026 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 926 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1055 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1005 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 913 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1034 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 912 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 874 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 977 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1031 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 994 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 655 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 957 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 670 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 972 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 822 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1045 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 949 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 891 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 962 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 934 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 973 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 990 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 638 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 837 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 959 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 840 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 982 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 932 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1095 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 994 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 943 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 907 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 978 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 929 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 872 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 799 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 918 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 947 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 926 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 908 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 926 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 890 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 863 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 959 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 850 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 938 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 626 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 973 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 887 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 982 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 985 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 926 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 924 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 977 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 928 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1004 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 949 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 861 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 909 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 944 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 860 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 862 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 904 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 837 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 929 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 585 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 909 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 902 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 875 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 819 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 925 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 832 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 973 Views
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Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 841 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 911 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 840 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1060 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 920 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 856 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 839 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1081 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 865 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 936 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 900 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 922 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 946 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 879 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 952 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 888 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 866 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 737 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1008 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 849 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1071 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 887 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 995 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 981 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 955 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 950 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 820 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1249 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 930 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 963 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 928 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 775 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 966 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 862 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 896 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 963 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1151 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 943 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1120 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 998 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 978 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1023 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1030 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1034 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 874 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 776 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 969 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 999 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 880 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 910 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 915 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 891 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1140 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 921 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 982 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1275 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1073 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1205 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 840 Views
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