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We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM
There is no reason to believe Daigian is .3SD below the Mean.


If 62.5% of channelers are stronger than Daigan, and strength in channeling is normally distributed, then Daigan is 0.32 standard deviations below the mean. Plain and simple.

The only thing we can say for certain at this point is that Morgase and Lanfear are the same number of SDs from the Mean.


How can we say that for certain? Who knows how many people like Morgase the Aes Sedai ignored because they didn't happen to be nobles with a tradition for training in the Tower?


We've been through this a million times. You can't have both a linear and a non-linear Bell Curve.

As for Morgase, she's been put forth as the weakest possible woman by implication if not overtly stated. Regardless, she is the proxy for the 0-level Channeler on our scale. However you look at it the Strongest possible woman and the weakest possible woman MUST be equidistant from the Mean.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2205 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1213 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1341 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1179 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1050 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1095 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1269 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1100 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1087 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1109 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1309 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1063 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1134 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1083 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1134 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1026 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1167 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1113 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1013 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1148 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1020 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 987 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1087 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1140 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1099 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 695 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1054 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 696 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1084 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 936 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1149 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1042 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1016 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1062 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1034 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1075 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1091 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 670 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 926 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1058 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 936 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1095 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1061 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1190 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1091 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1062 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1014 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1068 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1022 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 947 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 904 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1024 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1060 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1024 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1010 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1037 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 989 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 955 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1069 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 967 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1036 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 661 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1048 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 988 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1076 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1073 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1040 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1030 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1076 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1040 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1145 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1057 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 977 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1011 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1044 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 976 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 986 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 997 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 935 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1046 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 628 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1024 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1018 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 976 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 925 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1035 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 937 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1059 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1116 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 966 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1015 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 938 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1171 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1028 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 952 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 952 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1186 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 974 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1046 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1012 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1020 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1043 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 970 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1057 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 984 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 976 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 859 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1099 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 933 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1131 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 982 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1092 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1082 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1061 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1042 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 916 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1330 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1038 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1081 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1040 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 881 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1083 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 958 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1012 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1094 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1249 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1049 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1226 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1087 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1068 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1094 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1113 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1152 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 998 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 873 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1087 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1121 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 991 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1000 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1011 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 983 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1233 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1025 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1073 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1390 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1161 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1300 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 876 Views
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