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Re: I don't think the Finn theory is likely darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 15/11/2012 09:50:13 PM

I don't know, and I'm comforted by the fact that no one else does either

It's possible that the Finn's taught Aes Sedai how to make ter'angreal, and its possible the Aes Sedai taught the Finns, or at least traded with them.

What's very suspicious is that both Nynaeve's neutralizing ter'angreal and Mat's medallion seem to shock both Cyndane and Aran'gar when they encounter them. Despite the fact that Aginor made the neutralizing gholam, it seems like the technology was unheard of. That doesn't mean that it wasn't traded with the Finn's post war of Power, though. These devices started to come into being during the Breaking.

We've seen that they can hold channelers. Moiraine was in some sort of coma/stasis, and I'll bet anything Lanfear looked the same when Moridin found her.

yet LTT and Semirhage were familiar with the Paralis Net ... LTT claimed to have worn the prototype himself. Seems the devices were pioneered during the WoP. Seems Lanfear just wasn't "in the know" on them ... perhaps Semirhage was because she was captured during the WoP.

I assume the stasis fields are generated by a ter'angreal of some kind, but it's also clear that the 'Finns have some methods to resist the OP as they would wake Moiraine so she could channel and they could feed from her ability. Obviously something else is going on there or she would have been able to escape.

LOL, are we talking about the same Forsaken? Lanfear?! I can't think of a more impulsive Forsaken, except perhaps Balthamel.

Lanfear is the most frivolous killer - she killed Kadere merely for angering her. Also, place the scene in context. She had just been rejected for the last time by Lews Therin and was slowly killing him. She'd also killed many people at the harbour, and half-killed Egwene and Aviendha. And she most certainly knows who Moiraine is. If the two of them fell through that doorway, I highly doubt that Lanfear would have been cool-blooded enough to weigh her options. She was in the midst of an insane meltdown. Even from the other angle, I doubt Moiraine would have merely stood there. She knows who Lanfear is and what she was busy doing - I suspect she would have given her the same treatment she gave Be'lal given the chance.

I agree ... Lanfear was way too far gone emotionally to have simply stopped to make a deal with the 'Finns. I'm betting they were both out cold when they arrived in Sindhol and only later made their deals with the 'Finns.

My guess is one of the two managed to shield and bind with air the other, than waited for the arrival of the Eelfinn.

The other possibility is that both were burnt out when they fell through. It also makes sense that both would ask for their ability back, knowing how channelers covet their gifts. Whether the Finns can do this is also debatable, though it would serve their needs if they could.

I'm fairly certain we would have heard about either woman being burned out/stilled if it had happened. It also seems like a long-shot ability for the 'Finns to be able to restore the ability. If they could you'd think the AS in the AoL would have studied it and tried to find a method of healing themselves.

Again, I'd go with they both arrived unconscious and were imprisoned before they made their deals. I don't even recall if Lanfear has said anything about making a deal ... it would be supremely stupid of her not to have done so, but it's possible she wished for rescue and got Moridin as her response

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!

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<quote id="266876">I don't know, and I'm comforted by the fact that no one else does either :P It's possible that the Finn's taught Aes Sedai how to make ter'angreal, and its possible the Aes Sedai taught the Finns, or at least traded with them.</quote>

<quote id="266876">What's very suspicious is that both Nynaeve's neutralizing ter'angreal and Mat's medallion seem to shock both Cyndane and Aran'gar when they encounter them. Despite the fact that Aginor made the neutralizing gholam, it seems like the technology was unheard of. That doesn't mean that it wasn't traded with the Finn's post war of Power, though. These devices started to come into being during the Breaking.</quote>

<quote id="266876">We've seen that they can hold channelers. Moiraine was in some sort of coma/stasis, and I'll bet anything Lanfear looked the same when Moridin found her.</quote></quote>

<quote id="266876">yet LTT and Semirhage were familiar with the Paralis Net ... LTT claimed to have worn the prototype himself.  Seems the devices were pioneered during the WoP.  Seems Lanfear just wasn't "in the know" on them ... perhaps Semirhage was because she was captured during the WoP.</quote>

<quote id="266876">I assume the stasis fields are generated by a ter'angreal of some kind, but it's also clear that the 'Finns have some methods to resist the OP as they would wake Moiraine so she could channel and they could feed from her ability.  Obviously something else is going on there or she would have been able to escape.</quote>

<quote id="266876"><quote>LOL, are we talking about the same Forsaken? Lanfear?! I can't think of a more impulsive Forsaken, except perhaps Balthamel.</quote>

<quote id="266876">Lanfear is the most frivolous killer - she killed Kadere merely for angering her. Also, place the scene in context. She had just been rejected for the last time by Lews Therin and was slowly killing him. She'd also killed many people at the harbour, and half-killed Egwene and Aviendha. And she most certainly knows who Moiraine is. If the two of them fell through that doorway, I highly doubt that Lanfear would have been cool-blooded enough to weigh her options. She was in the midst of an insane meltdown. Even from the other angle, I doubt Moiraine would have merely stood there. She knows who Lanfear is and what she was busy doing - I suspect she would have given her the same treatment she gave Be'lal given the chance.</quote>

<quote id="266876">I agree ... Lanfear was way too far gone emotionally to have simply stopped to make a deal with the 'Finns.  I'm betting they were both out cold when they arrived in Sindhol and only later made their deals with the 'Finns.</quote>

<quote id="266876"><quote>My guess is one of the two managed to shield and bind with air the other, than waited for the arrival of the Eelfinn. </quote>

<quote id="266876">The other possibility is that both were burnt out when they fell through. It also makes sense that both would ask for their ability back, knowing how channelers covet their gifts. Whether the Finns can do this is also debatable, though it would serve their needs if they could.</quote>

<quote id="266876">I'm fairly certain we would have heard about either woman being burned out/stilled if it had happened.  It also seems like a long-shot ability for the 'Finns to be able to restore the ability.  If they could you'd think the AS in the AoL would have studied it and tried to find a method of healing themselves.</quote>

<quote id="266876">Again, I'd go with they both arrived unconscious and were imprisoned before they made their deals.  I don't even recall if Lanfear has said anything about making a deal ... it would be supremely stupid of her not to have done so, but it's possible she wished for rescue and got Moridin as her response :P</quote>

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