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Re: Verin and Graendal each have angreal of unkown strength Sidious Send a noteboard - 03/11/2012 10:15:10 PM
and if Flinn's mixed circle was only equal to Demandred explain how they survived the encounter.

The chapter explains it directly. It says that Flinn didn't stop attacking so Demandred couldn't counter. It's similar to what Nynaeve did to Moghedien.

Are you seriously suggesting that Flinn is as skilled as Demandred? Get a grip.

No I am not. Why are you arguing like this? Only one post above this I said that there is no way that Flinn is as skilled as Demandred.

The first weaves Flinn threw at Demandred were Powerful, but obviously not at full power. Just like Daigian Flinn didn't draw on the full power of his circle until he later.

You have absolutely no proof of this claim and can't back up that Flinn used lesser power from the beginning. Daigain drew on nothing until she had to fight and Eben then says that she drew deeply on the link.

Honestly, I think you read the series looking specifically for ways to make Lanfear stronger than anyone else.

That's a very childish way of arguing and I don't know what you're basing that on. If Semirhage was the top female strength I'd argue as vehemently as for her.

Next you'll be suggesting that she is as strong as Rand.

Considering the author equated the highest male and female, I absolutely do believe that. In raw power... no... but you can't compare the sexes without including deftness.

I truly don't understand why you think Strength is so important. We've seen many times that skill is the most important factor when Channeling.

And we've seen many times that strength can be a trump card, such as using Callandor to defeat Ishamael. I've said from the beginning that strength and skill are important. Graendal herself says that both are important components.

Cyndane v. Alivia

As I said Alivia is a highly unaccomplished channeler.

Graendal v. Moghedien & Cyndane

I hope you know what happened in that scene because Moghedien and Cyndane stood still like statues and channeled the lights out so that SH could appear. It wasn't a duel.

Graendal's comments about Sommeryn

She says strength and skill, which is what I've said from the beginning.

As for Egwene's level ... Moghedien noted Elayne on the streets even before she was at half her strength. The ONLY other women she's ever noted strength with are Nynaeve and Hessalam.

And you have followed Moghedien around since she was released from the Bore? It's not like we've had scenes where Moghedien came across Aviendha or Sharina or Someryn.

Clearly Elayne at full potential is going to be near to Moghedien in strength or Moghedien wouldn't have bothered to notice her. Moghedien only cares about the exceptionally strong Channelers.

Moghedien says that Elayne is strong and we know she is. Besides I say that Elayne is at 60 and Moghedien at 70, so yes I do think Elayne is close to Moghedien.

No argument that Moghedien is the weakest, but she is also the least skilled with the OP

There is no evidence that Moghedien is the least skilled with the OP. What evidence do you have of that?

but even still she thinks to herself that she is on the same footing as Hessalam.

In terms of survivability, now that Graendal has fallen.

Clearly she's close enough in skill and power to stand a fighting chance against any of the other Forsaken. You placing her at like 30-40% weaker is just ridiculous. She would be practically a slave to all the others if she was at such a huge disadvantage.

Well then you have missed the entire characterization of the Spider who never reveals herself. Semirhage says they often believe her to be dead and then she shows up just to prove them wrong. Graendal says that Moghedien found a girl who is so much stronger than her - implying that Cyndane is much more powerful.

In addition, there is no way she survives during the WoP when there are literally millions of Channelers who are Forsaken. Yes she took out more Powerful channelers through her tactics, but there were only 29 out of MILLIONS the DO let Channel the TP ... Moghedien is without a doubt one of them (given her reaction to Taim she would have most certainly raged about Moridin using the TP if she had not been given access), which means she was considered one of the strongest and most skilled.

She is a very strong woman, which allowed her to kill many other people. But she is a coward and the worst kind of backstabber. That is her modus operandi, not dueling. Her engagement with Nynaeve was almost her worst imagined scenario.

Lanfear being 3x Moiraine is not only unnecessary but it's implausible. Marginalizing the AS strength is also unnecessary as it's their lack of training that is the real problem.

And yet Cadsuane has a tantrum in NS because their strength is dwindling. A millenium earlier they would have had Forsaken level women in the Tower, but they have been so selective that women are relatively weak now. Even in NS there were other women stronger than Siuan and Moiraine.
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