I agree with that. But please honestly look at the math I presented. It disproves the Bell Curve.
Shannow Send a noteboard - 02/11/2012 05:24:41 PM
How many different ways can someone tell you that the Mean is not by definition 50% of the Maximum? All the Mean equals is the level where the most people fall. Each SD away from the Mean makes someone more rare. There is no reason to believe that 50 MUST be the Mean.
It seemed likely for a while that 50 was the Mean because of the minimum and maximum level RJ imposed on the Bell Curve, but it's not Mathematically necessary. For instance, the Mean height for a man is roughly 70" with a SD of 3". Thus a man 3 SDs above the Mean would be 79" but would represent less than 1% of the population. likewise a man 3 SDs below the Mean would be 61" tall and represent less than 1% of the population. In neither case is the mean 50%. the only thing that MUST be true here is that there are as many SDs BELOW the Mean as ABOVE the Mean. The actual number doesn't matter as long there are an equal number of SD on each side of it. A Power scale and a % of total power are two different things.
It seemed likely for a while that 50 was the Mean because of the minimum and maximum level RJ imposed on the Bell Curve, but it's not Mathematically necessary. For instance, the Mean height for a man is roughly 70" with a SD of 3". Thus a man 3 SDs above the Mean would be 79" but would represent less than 1% of the population. likewise a man 3 SDs below the Mean would be 61" tall and represent less than 1% of the population. In neither case is the mean 50%. the only thing that MUST be true here is that there are as many SDs BELOW the Mean as ABOVE the Mean. The actual number doesn't matter as long there are an equal number of SD on each side of it. A Power scale and a % of total power are two different things.
The human height example is a flawed comparison, because the SD is so small that you never get to a point where someone is twice the average height.
But if you are dealing with a population that reaches twice the average at say 6 SD, then you have to have room for the same number of SD's on the bottom side, if the Curve is to remain symmetrical. For example, let's say that human height - averaging at 6 feet, allowed for a person 6 SD above the Mean to be 13 feet tall. How then would that curve be able to remain symmetrical while still depicting people at 6SD on the lower side?
Be that as it may. The math is the real clincher of the argument.
It destroys the idea of a symmetrical Bell Curve, based on the multiples that the likes of Moiraine and Egwene are stronger than Daigian.
This message last edited by Shannow on 02/11/2012 at 05:36:41 PM
Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
31/10/2012 11:30:42 AM
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Who said RJ created a 100 point scale? I always assumed we did to make this easier to follow
31/10/2012 02:22:51 PM
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One more point here
31/10/2012 03:02:34 PM
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I've think I've finally done it. I've solved the entire Curve. Daigian is the key...
01/11/2012 09:20:57 AM
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Did some playing with your numbers to make this work better
01/11/2012 02:13:00 PM
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The Mean and SD are set by Daigian's position. Your options are therefore not possible...
02/11/2012 07:49:24 AM
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Yet you have many more SD between the Mean and Lanfear than you do Morgase and the Mean
02/11/2012 02:39:51 PM
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I absolutely agree. The lower side of the curve MUST be intersected by zero after 1 SD...
02/11/2012 03:03:52 PM
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I am not convinced Moiraine is the Mean. Merely 50% of Lanfear
02/11/2012 04:23:57 PM
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But on a Bell Curve the Mean IS 50% of Lanfear. You've just disproven your own contention.
02/11/2012 04:40:31 PM
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OMG no it is NOT!
02/11/2012 05:16:36 PM
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I agree with that. But please honestly look at the math I presented. It disproves the Bell Curve.
02/11/2012 05:24:41 PM
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It doesn't matter that you think the BC is disproved.
02/11/2012 06:07:19 PM
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Confusing post...
02/11/2012 06:30:40 PM
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If you choose to ignore the author go right ahead. I just think you are wrong
02/11/2012 09:05:14 PM
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Re: It doesn't matter that you think the BC is disproved.
02/11/2012 07:11:57 PM
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I think the number is about 10
03/11/2012 08:42:08 AM
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Nope
03/11/2012 04:14:45 PM
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Re: Nope
03/11/2012 04:39:07 PM
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Verin and Graendal each have angreal of unkown strength
03/11/2012 06:15:49 PM
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Re: Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
01/11/2012 06:23:07 PM
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Re: Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
01/11/2012 09:48:04 PM
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I'll have to disagree with much of this
03/11/2012 07:46:31 AM
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Why do you always think Strength is the point
03/11/2012 04:35:26 PM
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I don't - I merely appreciate it as a factor
03/11/2012 04:48:24 PM
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0 Evidence? Cyndane v. Alivia is plenty of evidence EDIT with exact quote
03/11/2012 06:17:39 PM
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One other thing you have forgotten about
03/11/2012 10:13:09 PM
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Your agenda blinds you to logic yet again...As I'll simply demonstrate with your example here...
03/11/2012 11:08:13 PM
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Nope, the only experience she has in reality is against Rand
03/11/2012 11:09:54 PM
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Nonsense.
03/11/2012 11:11:05 PM
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Believe as you will
03/11/2012 11:26:50 PM
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That's a classic.
04/11/2012 12:06:13 AM
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You misquote on a regular basis and have no grasp of the timeline in the series
04/11/2012 01:36:37 AM
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Hmm...
04/11/2012 07:08:04 AM
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stop getting all indignant ... I'm really not trying to be nasty to you
04/11/2012 04:20:06 PM
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Reply to your EDIT: I think YOU have a totally warped perspective, based on what you wish for.
03/11/2012 11:16:29 PM
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Funny that's exactly how I see your perspective
03/11/2012 11:25:52 PM
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I don't need to interpret the following in any way other than the obvious to get the picture...
04/11/2012 12:17:53 AM
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as usual you miss that there is a timeline and strength growth throughout the series *NM*
04/11/2012 01:47:41 AM
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