Did some playing with your numbers to make this work better
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 01/11/2012 02:13:00 PM
And Egwene is nearly 2x Moiraine. This is essentially a theory I put forth several years ago. I started with Daigian being. 16, other than that it's pretty much identical.
Edit: and does you Math work downward toward Morgase for 6SD? There are several women in those levels as well and we know there must be as many SD between Mean and Morgase as there are between Lanfear and Morgase. Your SD is too large for the Mean to located at 16.6 and allow for a 0 or 1 minimum. It works better when you have Daigian at a 16, Mean around 24 and Egwene 80 meaning 4SDs with the a forsaken all falling at various places in the 5th SD.
On the reverse side this still doesn't work as the SD you've calculated is too large for a Mean so low. Here is the problem, on a fixed scale measuring Lanfear to Morgase with 6 SD the spread of each SD will be 16.5. This is based on your math above with Lanfear at 100 and Morgase at 1. This makes the Mean 3 SD above Morgase and 3 below Lanfear. Roughly 49.5, but still does not work perfectly because Daigian is vastly too weak to be within 1 SD. So we must assume we can ignore that in order to place her with some accuracy, but it needs to be within a reasonable range for her to be accepted. If we place her 2 SDs above Morgase at a level 16.5 that gives us many levels for various AS leading up to the Mean, and still keeps the levels above the mean reasonably populated (especially if we look to New Spring AS and other groups of women)
However, if you accept that Moiraine is at Mean, in this case a 49.5 we can actually make this work. 1 SD up you may find Cadsuane around a 66, 1 SD down you find Verin around a 33. 2 up around an 80 is Egwene and 2 down you have Daigian at 16. 3 up are the Forsaken and 3 down is Morgase.
This squares with other RJ quotes of how the AS cover more levels than we thought and allows for a BC with the same number of Standard Deviations between Morgase and the Mean and Lanfear and the Mean.
Edit: and does you Math work downward toward Morgase for 6SD? There are several women in those levels as well and we know there must be as many SD between Mean and Morgase as there are between Lanfear and Morgase. Your SD is too large for the Mean to located at 16.6 and allow for a 0 or 1 minimum. It works better when you have Daigian at a 16, Mean around 24 and Egwene 80 meaning 4SDs with the a forsaken all falling at various places in the 5th SD.
On the reverse side this still doesn't work as the SD you've calculated is too large for a Mean so low. Here is the problem, on a fixed scale measuring Lanfear to Morgase with 6 SD the spread of each SD will be 16.5. This is based on your math above with Lanfear at 100 and Morgase at 1. This makes the Mean 3 SD above Morgase and 3 below Lanfear. Roughly 49.5, but still does not work perfectly because Daigian is vastly too weak to be within 1 SD. So we must assume we can ignore that in order to place her with some accuracy, but it needs to be within a reasonable range for her to be accepted. If we place her 2 SDs above Morgase at a level 16.5 that gives us many levels for various AS leading up to the Mean, and still keeps the levels above the mean reasonably populated (especially if we look to New Spring AS and other groups of women)
However, if you accept that Moiraine is at Mean, in this case a 49.5 we can actually make this work. 1 SD up you may find Cadsuane around a 66, 1 SD down you find Verin around a 33. 2 up around an 80 is Egwene and 2 down you have Daigian at 16. 3 up are the Forsaken and 3 down is Morgase.
This squares with other RJ quotes of how the AS cover more levels than we thought and allows for a BC with the same number of Standard Deviations between Morgase and the Mean and Lanfear and the Mean.
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This message last edited by darius_sedai on 01/11/2012 at 03:35:09 PM
Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
31/10/2012 11:30:42 AM
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Who said RJ created a 100 point scale? I always assumed we did to make this easier to follow
31/10/2012 02:22:51 PM
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One more point here
31/10/2012 03:02:34 PM
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I've think I've finally done it. I've solved the entire Curve. Daigian is the key...
01/11/2012 09:20:57 AM
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Did some playing with your numbers to make this work better
01/11/2012 02:13:00 PM
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The Mean and SD are set by Daigian's position. Your options are therefore not possible...
02/11/2012 07:49:24 AM
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Yet you have many more SD between the Mean and Lanfear than you do Morgase and the Mean
02/11/2012 02:39:51 PM
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I absolutely agree. The lower side of the curve MUST be intersected by zero after 1 SD...
02/11/2012 03:03:52 PM
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I am not convinced Moiraine is the Mean. Merely 50% of Lanfear
02/11/2012 04:23:57 PM
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But on a Bell Curve the Mean IS 50% of Lanfear. You've just disproven your own contention.
02/11/2012 04:40:31 PM
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OMG no it is NOT!
02/11/2012 05:16:36 PM
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I agree with that. But please honestly look at the math I presented. It disproves the Bell Curve.
02/11/2012 05:24:41 PM
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It doesn't matter that you think the BC is disproved.
02/11/2012 06:07:19 PM
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Confusing post...
02/11/2012 06:30:40 PM
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If you choose to ignore the author go right ahead. I just think you are wrong
02/11/2012 09:05:14 PM
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Re: It doesn't matter that you think the BC is disproved.
02/11/2012 07:11:57 PM
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I think the number is about 10
03/11/2012 08:42:08 AM
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Nope
03/11/2012 04:14:45 PM
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Re: Nope
03/11/2012 04:39:07 PM
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Verin and Graendal each have angreal of unkown strength
03/11/2012 06:15:49 PM
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Re: Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
01/11/2012 06:23:07 PM
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Re: Addressing problems with the Bell Curve
01/11/2012 09:48:04 PM
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I'll have to disagree with much of this
03/11/2012 07:46:31 AM
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Why do you always think Strength is the point
03/11/2012 04:35:26 PM
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I don't - I merely appreciate it as a factor
03/11/2012 04:48:24 PM
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0 Evidence? Cyndane v. Alivia is plenty of evidence EDIT with exact quote
03/11/2012 06:17:39 PM
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One other thing you have forgotten about
03/11/2012 10:13:09 PM
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Your agenda blinds you to logic yet again...As I'll simply demonstrate with your example here...
03/11/2012 11:08:13 PM
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Nope, the only experience she has in reality is against Rand
03/11/2012 11:09:54 PM
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Nonsense.
03/11/2012 11:11:05 PM
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Believe as you will
03/11/2012 11:26:50 PM
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That's a classic.
04/11/2012 12:06:13 AM
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You misquote on a regular basis and have no grasp of the timeline in the series
04/11/2012 01:36:37 AM
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Hmm...
04/11/2012 07:08:04 AM
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stop getting all indignant ... I'm really not trying to be nasty to you
04/11/2012 04:20:06 PM
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Reply to your EDIT: I think YOU have a totally warped perspective, based on what you wish for.
03/11/2012 11:16:29 PM
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Funny that's exactly how I see your perspective
03/11/2012 11:25:52 PM
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I don't need to interpret the following in any way other than the obvious to get the picture...
04/11/2012 12:17:53 AM
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as usual you miss that there is a timeline and strength growth throughout the series *NM*
04/11/2012 01:47:41 AM
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