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You need to go read RJ's quotes: fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM


That depends on what controls channeling, doesn't it? if it's genetic, is it completely unlikely that it's controlled by more than one gene, and that having two parents with the right genes could make potentially make you a stronger channeler than having just one parent with those genes? And if channeling is controlled by the soul, who is to say which souls the pattern spins out? If there are ages when channeling is unknown, why not ages when channelers are weaker?

Its soul based. Both transmigrated Foresaken and the one known definite rebirth of a soul have exactly the same strength they had before. Heck, a male Foresaken in a female body still channeled saidin. Genetics allows you to channel or not. It has nothing to do with how strong you are.
Also, I don't know if anyone has done this before, but I made a plot of the famous bell curve, by using <a href="http://13depository.blogspot.no/2009/02/saidar-strength-ranking.html">data from the Thirteenth Depository</a>, not including the female Forsaken. Assuming that those data are correct, and that this is a sufficiently large sample, I would say it seems to peak somewhat below the middle. Also, large numbers of novices and accepted are sent away without becoming Aes Sedai. If they are sent away because they are too weak, the peak would be even lower than this chart suggests.

Yeah, that's all wrong. For one thing, RJ said strength is distributed over a bell curve, not strength levels. You're plotting the wrong data points.

That said, obviously each level corresponds to a range on the strength scale (whatever it was in RJ's, we can take it to be 1-100 and it will still work the same). The 21 levels are distributed over this scale. We don't know if each level represents an equal interval in the strength scale, but assuming we do, we'd expect a peak around 10/11, which is where you find it. However, you also need to note that the sampling in that list is atrocious. We tend to see and hear more about stronger Aes Sedai and very little about women too weak to become AS. That definitely causes skewing. Plus, the list is very subjective, and tries to make quantitative differences between "strong" and "very strong" and such terms.

To me, it looks like the average strength today is at something like a third of Lanfear's strength. This in itself doesn't prove anything, and with very little data available from the Age of Legends, I don't see how it's possible to make any solid claims about the distribution being different or not.

RJ spoke of the same bell curve holding now. He said strength was distributed over a bell curve. That 67.5% of channelers in that curve would be strong enough to be Aes Sedai. That this is true only in the modern age, since in the AoL, anyone</> could become Aes Sedai. There's no doubt at all that its the same bell curve.
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Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 24/10/2012 06:40:47 PM 2771 Views
Did Perva actually initiate the link or was it Androl? *NM* - 24/10/2012 07:02:15 PM 686 Views
Androl did. *NM* - 25/10/2012 05:10:31 AM 940 Views
But didn't Nynaeve do it first at the cleansing? - 25/10/2012 12:43:15 PM 1097 Views
Pevara was thinking on very sketchy information. - 25/10/2012 08:56:20 PM 1025 Views
did he start the link? or just take it? - 27/10/2012 07:33:49 AM 752 Views
I think it's slightly off - 28/10/2012 04:21:05 PM 1031 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 05:13:43 AM 1249 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 04:23:20 PM 1073 Views
Re: Ch2 : Pevara & Androl and channeling implications - 25/10/2012 09:52:03 PM 1124 Views
Travelling - 25/10/2012 08:56:41 AM 1113 Views
Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 04:21:53 PM 1111 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 06:12:21 PM 1021 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 08:50:15 PM 980 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 25/10/2012 09:45:26 PM 1053 Views
Weren't there 150 or so at Maradon? *NM* - 26/10/2012 03:29:53 PM 601 Views
Re: Yes that's a pet theory of mine - 26/10/2012 08:49:58 PM 1164 Views
Perhaps, but if no on in the AoL could do it when mixed circles were common - 28/10/2012 04:22:20 PM 857 Views
How strong Pevara is... - 25/10/2012 07:08:26 PM 1188 Views
I'm pretty sure Moiraine is closer to 30... - 25/10/2012 07:41:37 PM 920 Views
Agreed - 25/10/2012 08:37:24 PM 1014 Views
So... the old story of ignore the bell curve, eh? - 26/10/2012 01:40:49 AM 969 Views
No, I fully respect the bell curve - 26/10/2012 01:51:34 PM 1025 Views
That was disproved long ago... - 26/10/2012 01:36:24 AM 957 Views
But Moiraine isn't 'exceptionally strong' - 26/10/2012 05:16:10 AM 1024 Views
Not particularly strong evidence for that last. - 26/10/2012 05:36:54 AM 972 Views
But we know that it takes significantly more strength to maintain multiple weaves - 26/10/2012 08:14:58 AM 894 Views
Not true - 27/10/2012 09:15:51 PM 898 Views
Not accurate - 27/10/2012 09:31:05 PM 904 Views
The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 10:27:34 AM 958 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 11:40:04 AM 950 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:32:01 PM 875 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 12:48:51 PM 972 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:07:39 PM 958 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:18:32 PM 987 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 26/10/2012 01:57:18 PM 1049 Views
Re: The Bell Curve explained... - 28/10/2012 02:07:39 PM 740 Views
Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 27/10/2012 09:39:58 PM 1044 Views
The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 01:50:37 AM 882 Views
Re: The curve is OBVIOUSLY the same... - 28/10/2012 02:01:59 PM 930 Views
You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 02:41:49 PM 947 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 28/10/2012 05:39:12 PM 859 Views
I need to come and save you from blatant fallacies being spouted by the loonies. - 28/10/2012 05:56:21 PM 848 Views
This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 02:58:51 AM 824 Views
Re: This is like watching a train-wreck. - 29/10/2012 01:10:35 PM 1027 Views
So what's your conclusion? - 29/10/2012 02:14:33 PM 796 Views
His conclusion is that RJ was right about the books he wrote... - 29/10/2012 02:19:59 PM 944 Views
Pretty much... - 30/10/2012 12:57:41 AM 1026 Views
Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:16:39 PM 790 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 29/10/2012 02:47:30 PM 913 Views
You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:22:47 PM 806 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 03:41:48 PM 844 Views
I think the point is that the AS didn't go force every woman in the area - 29/10/2012 07:57:59 PM 807 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:23:22 PM 933 Views
Re: You seem confused. - 29/10/2012 08:57:11 PM 934 Views
He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 12:49:09 AM 820 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 07:43:54 AM 865 Views
Re: He drew graphs! - 30/10/2012 01:57:05 PM 855 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:00 AM 858 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 07:49:57 AM 889 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:05:45 PM 1220 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 01:25:11 PM 907 Views
Re: Excellent points... - 30/10/2012 12:20:17 AM 963 Views
AS recruiting is minimal - 28/10/2012 10:41:29 PM 885 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 02:23:27 AM 863 Views
Re: You need to go read RJ's quotes: - 29/10/2012 07:33:44 AM 837 Views
Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:26:27 PM 847 Views
Re: Huh? - 29/10/2012 02:42:07 PM 840 Views
You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:25:57 PM 845 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 03:36:45 PM 885 Views
Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 08:05:33 PM 887 Views
Re: Personally I just think that 1000 women being allowed to tag along is a drop - 29/10/2012 09:04:02 PM 899 Views
Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 12:39:53 AM 851 Views
Re: Geography alone can do this - 30/10/2012 09:45:58 AM 835 Views
Not really - 30/10/2012 02:49:05 PM 816 Views
Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:04:18 AM 811 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 09:42:35 AM 962 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 01:51:03 PM 812 Views
Re: Here's why its not random... - 30/10/2012 02:21:04 PM 868 Views
YEah, there's no point debating this... - 30/10/2012 02:46:39 PM 815 Views
Genetics plays a role - 30/10/2012 03:03:41 PM 962 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 08:22:40 PM 812 Views
Re: You don't seem to know what random means... - 29/10/2012 09:06:08 PM 848 Views
Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 01:06:29 AM 829 Views
Re: Why must there be a mechanism? - 30/10/2012 09:48:16 AM 753 Views
Nope... - 30/10/2012 01:43:56 PM 971 Views
Re: Nope... - 30/10/2012 02:34:51 PM 807 Views
Oh my... - 30/10/2012 02:50:12 PM 893 Views
Thought experment time! Hurrah! - 30/10/2012 03:27:01 PM 822 Views
But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:30:59 PM 755 Views
Re: But it is still possible in your example to get wildly varied results - 30/10/2012 03:36:03 PM 857 Views
LOL - 30/10/2012 04:49:06 PM 1375 Views
Re: Yet Sharina, Nynaeve etc exist, thus the BC is the same - 28/10/2012 01:39:55 PM 825 Views
The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 04:18:55 PM 860 Views
Re: The point is there are still people being born in the highest strength categories - 28/10/2012 05:21:44 PM 853 Views
The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 05:39:42 PM 933 Views
The fact is, Moiraine is not half as strong as Lanfear, hence she is below average strength. - 28/10/2012 06:02:04 PM 866 Views
How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 02:59:49 AM 889 Views
Re: How is this fact? - 29/10/2012 07:04:15 PM 865 Views
Not so - 29/10/2012 08:09:29 PM 834 Views
Re: Not so - 29/10/2012 08:43:16 PM 908 Views
Sure it is - 30/10/2012 01:43:39 AM 796 Views
Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:20:14 PM 834 Views
Re: Explain Elza-Merise-Cadsuane then... - 29/10/2012 08:38:11 PM 854 Views
Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 01:12:26 AM 876 Views
Re: Are you blind man? - 30/10/2012 09:23:37 AM 916 Views
Cadsuane is just below Egwene... - 30/10/2012 01:37:54 PM 836 Views
Your strength scores don't square with the Pevara quote - 30/10/2012 03:15:22 PM 842 Views
Re: The curve hasn't shifted! - 28/10/2012 07:36:36 PM 858 Views
On Raw strength scores I think you are pretty inline with my thinking - 27/10/2012 09:37:25 PM 1000 Views
And the facing a Foresaken comment is out of context anyway... - 28/10/2012 01:56:12 AM 960 Views
Excellent point on raw v. Effective strength *NM* - 28/10/2012 04:13:21 PM 601 Views

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