Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM
From this, you can extrapolate that stronger channelers will live longer, and look younger for a longer time. But only up to a point, so Rand isn't going to slow at 1/100th the rate of Morghase. And once you look and feel about 65 (which comes after more years of life for stronger channgelers), you're a ticking time bomb. You'll not look or feel older, but some day soon, you'll die.
Right. And there is no proof that stronger channelers last longer beyond that point than weaker, or that while each will never look older than 65, maybe that only means the weaker one will hit that appearance first and live the full 800 years a stronger channeler would, only the strongest one is younger-looking for a greater proportion. According to you & RJ, you only age so far if you are a channeler, and the Power keeps your age from going beyond that look - maybe it also keeps you going for a certain number of years. Since everyone's appearance locks down at 65, regardless of their strength, maybe everyone will survive to 800 years, barring accident, foul play or other factors, regardless of how much of that time you spend looking 65. Channeler X might be stronger than Channeler Y, but they could both live to be 800, with X hitting the 65 look at about age 750 and Y reaching that appearance at maybe 600. Maybe X's greater strength can keep him alive longer, or maybe all it can do is keep him young-looking and vital for longer, and beyond a certain age, you conk out and die no matter what your strength. And regardless of strength or its affects, that says nothing about 1. how the Oath Rod cuts your lifespan short or 2. if the Oath Rod's effect affected by the channeler's strength. Maybe all lifespans are the same, and Oath Rod kills you 500 years early. Maybe you can only live 300 years under the binder, no matter what your strength. After all, stronger sisters cannot beat the compulsion aspect of the binding, can they? Why then should they be able to last longer under the life-shortening effect?
People like Sorelia and the toothless Wilder Cadsuane meets are products of this Age, where decent healthcare and controlled environments for human habitation are absent. In the AoL, they would all have looked 65. Had Cadsuane not been bound, she would now look around 30 years old (extrapolating from Moghedien), whereas Sorelia looks a lot older even though she's probably the same age.
Or less. She's so weak, she barely aged. Meanwhile, I believe Melaine must be fairly old (on a mortal scale), as she looks to be in her mid 30s, but has not-inconsiderable strength. Morgase looks too young to have an 18 year old daughter, but not one person has commented on Elayne's youth in regards to her pregnancy. Therefore, Morgase looks less than 18 years older than Elayne. She's 43, but looks at least 10 years younger. If Melaine looks 35, she has to be over 50. That's why Sorilea "is the oldest living Wise One, though not by as much as many think..." and why Mora was 300 but still looked young when she died. Of course, none of this proves that Sorilea would not last up until 800, looking 65 for most of the time from now until then.As for Elaida, obviously her strength in the Power played a role in her becoming advisor to Morghase.
Not obviously at all.Her cozying up to Morghase had just been a way to get added credentials for the job. When the post became open, her relationship with Morghase, added to her strength in the Power meant that when the matter came before the Hall,
Prove that it came before the Hall.
the Reds could make the proposal and expect support for it. Its like Siuan's administrative skills and her being raised Amyrlin. Obviously it played a role, but since Aes Sedai think strength in the OP goes with strength in character, they wouldn't have considered her for the job at all but for her strength.
There is no correlation between the posts! There is no proof that an Aes Sedai needs Tower authorization or that the Hall votes on a sister's acceptance of outside employment. Sure, there are Grey sisters we've seen who're not the strongest, but get appointed to top spots. But those are women who have a lot of experience proving that they're good despite their "deficiency" in the Power. Elaida had none of that. Her strength and her relationship with Morghase was all she had.
And there is no evidence that she needed anything more than the latter criterion.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Misc observations from my latest re-read
14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM
- 2828 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM
- 1404 Views
Re: How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
14/10/2012 09:23:24 PM
- 1429 Views
Knowing the post Breaking history of the Guardians and speaking of the city as though he had persona
14/10/2012 09:56:55 PM
- 1144 Views
How Stong was Gitara?
14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM
- 1310 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength.
14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM
- 1377 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM
- 1177 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM
- 1004 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository
14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM
- 1011 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories.
15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM
- 1157 Views
Not my problem if you are that lazy. All the quotes you want are nicely organized
15/10/2012 02:50:45 AM
- 1013 Views
Problem is...
14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM
- 1134 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM
- 969 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM
- 992 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
- 936 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM
- 1082 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend
15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM
- 908 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai?
15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM
- 993 Views
He was banging the queen
15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM
- 951 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen?
15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM
- 1198 Views
here ya go
15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM
- 1051 Views
Re: Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
15/10/2012 10:38:16 AM
- 869 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM
- 1034 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all
15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM
- 977 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR
15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM
- 993 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV
15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM
- 977 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors!
15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM
- 1030 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower?
15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM
- 949 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself...
15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM
- 978 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed
15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM
- 990 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship
15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM
- 1106 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her
15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM
- 924 Views
We know nothing of the sort.
15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM
- 918 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM
- 1020 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM
- 1040 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,...
17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM
- 1002 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points"
15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM
- 1179 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy
15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM
- 978 Views
The burden of proof is on you to make your points. There is nothing in the books.
15/10/2012 03:01:46 AM
- 1010 Views
You mean the only way she could avoid become Queen was to flee?
15/10/2012 03:30:26 AM
- 982 Views
And never ever face discipline or punishment for fleeing? Outside the Tower, she was on her own.
15/10/2012 03:40:23 AM
- 968 Views
I'm not using her theory, I'm saying she posted all the damn quotes in one place
15/10/2012 03:57:00 AM
- 970 Views
You don't see how evading the Tower's authority for 10 years undermines YOUR position?
15/10/2012 05:21:29 AM
- 895 Views
Nope. It substantiates that the Tower will exert itself to ensure its Political standing
15/10/2012 05:41:33 AM
- 951 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote:
15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM
- 1061 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan
15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM
- 980 Views
To quote you RTDB
15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM
- 927 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM*
15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM
- 593 Views
How old was Lanfear?
14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM
- 1013 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear?
14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM
- 1110 Views
I couldn't find it
15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM
- 1004 Views
It's in the Fires of Heaven, when Lanfear visits Rand and he remembers her as Mierin. *NM*
20/10/2012 04:19:09 AM
- 670 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false?
14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM
- 1162 Views
I've only been saying no for years.
14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM
- 1213 Views
Not the same thing
14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM
- 990 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!!
15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
- 1135 Views
I believe DomA covered this in his post
15/10/2012 03:31:54 AM
- 941 Views
Illogic, arguments from (false) authority and now ad hominem attacks.
15/10/2012 03:46:49 AM
- 949 Views
I just don't see the point of an argument with someone who has already been proven wrong
15/10/2012 03:59:19 AM
- 985 Views
The frequently-confessing-ignorance, can't-keep-track-of-what-he-wrote ghostwriter, you mean.
15/10/2012 05:28:50 AM
- 1068 Views
Touché ... But to DomA's point we'll likely get some resolution in AMoL *NM*
15/10/2012 05:53:14 AM
- 613 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise.
15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM
- 851 Views
That could also mean the same KC prophesies were is Seanchan before Luthair came along
16/10/2012 12:54:07 AM
- 905 Views
Of course there is truth...
14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM
- 1077 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM
- 1032 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM
- 1028 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does
14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM
- 1117 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are?
14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM
- 1021 Views
Who says they can't?
14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM
- 1023 Views
True to a point
14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM
- 921 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM
- 989 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM
- 995 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC?
15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM
- 886 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM*
17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM
- 675 Views
Yes she is
17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM
- 1032 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS"
18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM
- 1005 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO
18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM
- 949 Views
You mean the SC?
14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM
- 1039 Views
No others meet as well
14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM
- 1042 Views
Re: No others meet as well
14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM
- 1007 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM
- 890 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM
- 952 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM
- 919 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM
- 1035 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM
- 851 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM
- 1139 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana
16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM
- 1186 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana
16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM
- 939 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM
- 1004 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM
- 876 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM
- 1013 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM
- 931 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that
18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM
- 1072 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM
- 1052 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail
18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM
- 1029 Views
Surely, in part, this is how Verin figured out who the Black Ajah was
15/10/2012 05:10:25 PM
- 3621 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO?
14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM
- 1092 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well
18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM
- 894 Views
Just a note about Bair
18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM
- 1028 Views
The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
18/10/2012 02:53:17 PM
- 989 Views
Re: The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
18/10/2012 07:06:13 PM
- 1165 Views
Sorilea would have not been able to disarm Cadsuane's wards. Both inverted and likely too strong
18/10/2012 07:35:22 PM
- 923 Views
No, she would not have been able to (nor even see them to report about them)
18/10/2012 09:32:38 PM
- 1000 Views
Verin's goal was to dig out the BA. A WO would have been nothing more than a momentary
19/10/2012 04:11:51 AM
- 902 Views
I don't see how it could be possible
23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM
- 900 Views
It's certainly possible, though it might contribute to making it rather rare
23/10/2012 10:55:07 PM
- 967 Views
good point especially when you consider the Aiel view on pain and death
25/10/2012 06:14:40 PM
- 875 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM
- 1172 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM
- 1098 Views
Totally pointless, just looking to spark some conversation on the board!
15/10/2012 12:23:34 AM
- 1143 Views
But how often in real life does that happen? Alanis Morissette taught us about death row pardons *NM*
17/10/2012 12:27:45 AM
- 683 Views