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Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM
Important posts are seemingly always given to strong Sisters.
Like the middling women sent to be ambassadors to the Dragon Reborn? And Aes Sedai adviser is not a TOWER posting, it is an ANDORAN one. As an example of Church comparisons, it would be like the Pope choosing a monarch's personal confessor. He might have the authority to name the patriarch or primate or archbishop of a kingdom or important see within the country, but he cannot choose whom the king uses for his own spiritual counsel.

The hierarchy demands such things.

And the hierarchy is specifically stated NOT to apply to official appointments or positions! The strongest woman did not lead the deputation from the rebels to Rand, there is no evidence of the hierarchy one way or another in Elaida's mission to Rand, and the strongest women did not lead the expedition to the Black Tower. In both cases, once the mission fell apart, the strongest women then took charge, even though their inferiors, Toveine and Merana led before that.

If Elaida or Gitara had been weak in the Power they would not have been allowed to act as the Advisor to the most powerful monarch in the land.
Prove it.

Gitara not only held that position, but later was appointed Keeper, which is another post we've mostly seen held by very strong sisters. Sheriam, Leane, Silviana. Duhara is the wild card here but that seems obviously a BA situation. Much like Sitters and Ajah Heads, the hierarchy affects these roles to an extreme degree.
It does not. Those positions are all explicitly stated to be immune from the hierarchy, and while it influences sisters in whom they respect, there are numerous ways around that. And again, a position in Morgase's court is an ANDORAN matter, and no matter how weak she was, it would violate the Tower's rules for a stronger sister to butt in and try to push her aside. Aes Sedai are not remotely under military discipline, and even Egwene, in the midst of expressing her frustrations at sisters not cooperating, admits that they have the right to go where they want and do what they want.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2943 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1495 Views
How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1400 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1473 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1280 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1090 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1113 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1247 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1318 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 1064 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1222 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 1065 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 1088 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1017 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1153 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 1010 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 1094 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 1030 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1310 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1143 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 1065 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 1019 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1131 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 1076 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 1092 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 1059 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1127 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 1043 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1124 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 709 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 1076 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 1089 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1206 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 1038 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 1014 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1117 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1147 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1108 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1184 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 1016 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1104 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 1066 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1276 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 1077 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1158 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 1045 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 1016 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 1093 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 981 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 1094 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 910 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 637 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 736 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1232 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 1099 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1108 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1195 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1092 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1230 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1298 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 1078 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1236 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1301 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 939 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1168 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1130 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1125 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1218 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1130 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1131 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 1022 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 1078 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 1026 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 1099 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 988 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 714 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1135 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1104 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 1045 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 1089 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1167 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1138 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1144 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1105 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 976 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 1061 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 1018 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1151 Views
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Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1257 Views
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Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 1010 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1103 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 975 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1121 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 1037 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1142 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1106 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 1051 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 1073 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 624 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1173 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1133 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 1008 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 978 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 631 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1193 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1212 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 988 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1119 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 999 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1266 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1208 Views

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