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Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM
Important posts are seemingly always given to strong Sisters.
Like the middling women sent to be ambassadors to the Dragon Reborn? And Aes Sedai adviser is not a TOWER posting, it is an ANDORAN one. As an example of Church comparisons, it would be like the Pope choosing a monarch's personal confessor. He might have the authority to name the patriarch or primate or archbishop of a kingdom or important see within the country, but he cannot choose whom the king uses for his own spiritual counsel.

The hierarchy demands such things.

And the hierarchy is specifically stated NOT to apply to official appointments or positions! The strongest woman did not lead the deputation from the rebels to Rand, there is no evidence of the hierarchy one way or another in Elaida's mission to Rand, and the strongest women did not lead the expedition to the Black Tower. In both cases, once the mission fell apart, the strongest women then took charge, even though their inferiors, Toveine and Merana led before that.

If Elaida or Gitara had been weak in the Power they would not have been allowed to act as the Advisor to the most powerful monarch in the land.
Prove it.

Gitara not only held that position, but later was appointed Keeper, which is another post we've mostly seen held by very strong sisters. Sheriam, Leane, Silviana. Duhara is the wild card here but that seems obviously a BA situation. Much like Sitters and Ajah Heads, the hierarchy affects these roles to an extreme degree.
It does not. Those positions are all explicitly stated to be immune from the hierarchy, and while it influences sisters in whom they respect, there are numerous ways around that. And again, a position in Morgase's court is an ANDORAN matter, and no matter how weak she was, it would violate the Tower's rules for a stronger sister to butt in and try to push her aside. Aes Sedai are not remotely under military discipline, and even Egwene, in the midst of expressing her frustrations at sisters not cooperating, admits that they have the right to go where they want and do what they want.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2829 Views
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How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1312 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1379 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1178 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 1006 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1011 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1158 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1222 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 973 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1136 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 970 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 994 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 937 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1084 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 909 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 994 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 953 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1199 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1053 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 983 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 921 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1035 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 979 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 995 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 978 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1031 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 951 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1045 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 668 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 979 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 990 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1108 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 924 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 920 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1020 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1042 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 1002 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1086 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 926 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1020 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 973 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1180 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 978 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1063 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 981 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 928 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 996 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 890 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 998 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 822 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 593 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 695 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1154 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 995 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1015 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1112 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 1005 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1162 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1215 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 991 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1135 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1200 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 853 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1079 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1032 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1030 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1117 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1023 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1025 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 922 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 991 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 941 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 997 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 888 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 675 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1033 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 1006 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 949 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 998 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1067 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1040 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1042 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1008 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 890 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 953 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 921 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1035 Views
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Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1139 Views
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Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 939 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 1004 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 877 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1013 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 933 Views
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*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1018 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 945 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 968 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 587 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1053 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1030 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 900 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 892 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 586 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1092 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1122 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 896 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1028 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 901 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1173 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1098 Views

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