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I've only been saying no for years. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM
I've always assumed Ishamael went and corrupted the Seanchan prophesies, but is there proof?

NO!
Just all you channeler wannabes automatically assuming the worst of any Seanchan and assuming that the Seanchan PoV character who thinks the wetlander prophecies are corrupt is not only wrong, but inversely wrong and thus his are corrupted.

As Moiraine notes in tGH, prophecies from the Shadow are as likely to come true as their enemies'. Even the supposedly mistaken prophecy that Graendal read has not yet failed. She is obviously mistaking the Wolf of the prophecy for Perrin, when Lan or Ituralde is a more likely candidate.

Likewise, Moiraine claims that the Aiel are not mentioned in the Prophecies of the Dragon, yet they are in almost the first prophecy Rand hears quoted: she simply did not know they are the People of the Dragon. The difference cited by the Seanchan is that the wetlanders' prophecy does not mention Rand kneeling to the Crystal Throne, which theirs does. It can be as simple as the fact that neither version is comprehensive (and I have nothing to indicate they are, and much suggesting the opposite), and no one on this side of the Ocean understood the significance of the Foretelling to include it. Or it could refer to the same event in different words. For one thing, Rand will almost certainly not kneel before the Throne itself, but before Fortuona. In Seanchan, the Throne is identified with the office in the same way we refer to the White House and the president as one and the same. "Word from the White House is..." and so on. So maybe a Seanchan would refer the same event by saying he will kneel to the Crystal Throne and a wetlander prophet would say he will kneel to "the blood of the hammer" or some other oblique reference. Without both complete copies of the prophecies it is impossible to say one way or another.

As for the ridiculousness of Ishamael basing a strategy on minor alterations of a thousand-year-old prophecy, the less said the better. He has been portrayed as astute enough to grasp the series' theme of misunderstandings and unexpected results, and not try to influence people at that great a remove.

Despite the superstitious actions of many Seanchan characters (all the random Omens) there seems to be truth to the readings of the Omens.
Pay some attention to causality! The Seanchan are more reliant on omens and such, because of the apparently superior predictive abilities of Seanchan channelers.
Cannoli
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Misc observations from my latest re-read - 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM 2820 Views
How does LTT know about Far Madding's history? - 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM 1399 Views
How Stong was Gitara? - 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM 1300 Views
So so stong. She had incredible stength. - 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM 1370 Views
Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM 1169 Views
Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live - 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM 995 Views
Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository - 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM 1001 Views
Not interested in Linda's private theories. - 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM 1151 Views
And there's Sorilea... - 15/10/2012 02:53:15 AM 1208 Views
Perhaps, but Bair is in her 80s and can't channel at all - 15/10/2012 03:09:35 AM 961 Views
Problem is... - 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM 1124 Views
Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM 964 Views
Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities! - 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM 983 Views
Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 926 Views
Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up - 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM 1074 Views
Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend - 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM 901 Views
How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai? - 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM 983 Views
He was banging the queen - 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM 936 Views
And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen? - 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM 1185 Views
here ya go - 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM 1046 Views
There's an awful lot for "not many" - 15/10/2012 05:07:30 AM 977 Views
When did I say I bought into Linda's theories? - 15/10/2012 05:29:27 AM 912 Views
Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear - 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM 1026 Views
The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all - 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM 964 Views
IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR - 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM 980 Views
Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV - 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM 964 Views
Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors! - 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM 1019 Views
So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower? - 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM 936 Views
Finally! I was beginning to despair of your literacy! - 15/10/2012 04:34:18 AM 1035 Views
now I am questioning your literacy *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:40:45 AM 661 Views
She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself... - 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM 967 Views
Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed - 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM 982 Views
You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship - 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM 1094 Views
Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her - 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM 913 Views
We know nothing of the sort. - 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM 911 Views
Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM 1006 Views
Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned - 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM 1033 Views
Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM 992 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 17/10/2012 01:01:47 PM 1076 Views
Just to be clear - 17/10/2012 03:58:58 PM 916 Views
Re: Egwene said otherwise DomA,... - 18/10/2012 01:23:48 AM 1010 Views
Elayne's thoughts about this - 17/10/2012 04:16:38 PM 964 Views
And an answer to the rest of your "points" - 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM 1169 Views
Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy - 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM 971 Views
Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote: - 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM 1051 Views
Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan - 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM 973 Views
To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM 919 Views
Re: To quote you RTDB - 15/10/2012 05:27:47 AM 988 Views
Some people look young. - 15/10/2012 05:51:25 AM 880 Views
I never mentioned the OR... - 16/10/2012 01:38:48 AM 989 Views
RJ said Sharina would go back to about middle aged - 16/10/2012 02:23:21 AM 805 Views
And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page *NM* - 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM 589 Views
Told you so. *NM* - 15/10/2012 05:21:58 AM 691 Views
I think so. - 16/11/2012 11:40:17 AM 1141 Views
Aging - 15/10/2012 06:08:47 PM 986 Views
How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM 1007 Views
Re: How old was Lanfear? - 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM 1104 Views
I couldn't find it - 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM 999 Views
Are the Seanchan prophesies false? - 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM 1149 Views
I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM 1205 Views
Not the same thing - 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM 979 Views
Show me some damn PROOF already!! - 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM 1124 Views
Re: I've only been saying no for years. - 14/10/2012 10:15:29 PM 1188 Views
Your argument is based on a faulty premise. - 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM 844 Views
Of course there is truth... - 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM 1073 Views
Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM 1017 Views
Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing - 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM 1020 Views
Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does - 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM 1109 Views
How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are? - 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM 1014 Views
Who says they can't? - 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM 1017 Views
True to a point - 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM 909 Views
Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM 980 Views
Perhaps not. But a woman like Sheriam would stick out - 15/10/2012 03:37:12 AM 931 Views
Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC. - 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM 988 Views
But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC? - 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM 882 Views
Galina isn't young. *NM* - 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM 672 Views
Yes she is - 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM 1029 Views
85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS" - 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM 997 Views
She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM 940 Views
Re: She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO - 18/10/2012 08:10:58 PM 989 Views
I think Linda is correct in this particular instance - 19/10/2012 02:14:23 AM 1054 Views
You mean the SC? - 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM 1029 Views
No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM 1040 Views
Re: No others meet as well - 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM 1001 Views
Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM 884 Views
Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating - 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM 944 Views
I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM 908 Views
Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups - 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM 1027 Views
I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM 838 Views
Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve - 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM 1126 Views
I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM 1177 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Delana - 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM 935 Views
Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM 989 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM 868 Views
Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM 1009 Views
Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts - 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM 924 Views
Not a good plan, I'll give you that - 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM 1063 Views
*sigh* - 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM 1008 Views
*double sigh* - 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM 931 Views
Re: *double sigh* - 19/10/2012 05:48:25 PM 954 Views
Agreed *NM* - 20/10/2012 04:57:18 PM 570 Views
Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC - 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM 1045 Views
Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail - 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM 1017 Views
Not conclusive? - 18/10/2012 08:49:49 PM 891 Views
Don't put words in my mouth that I never said - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 884 Views
double post *NM* - 19/10/2012 04:08:22 AM 584 Views
Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM 1081 Views
Re: Is there a Dark Friend WO? - 17/10/2012 08:33:27 PM 1113 Views
I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well - 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM 889 Views
Just a note about Bair - 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM 1015 Views
I don't see how it could be possible - 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM 897 Views
Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM 1165 Views
Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers? - 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM 1087 Views

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