Moghedien is clearly weaker, but probably not by very much ... Her personality just highlights it. I very much doubt Lanfear is more than 5% stronger than the next strongest woman of the Forsaken and at most 15% stronger than Moghedien.
Scale looking something along these lines
Lanfear 100
Cyndane/Alivia 98
Graendal/Sharina 96
Nynaeve 94
Semirhage 93
Mesaana 91
Moghedien 87
With an Average strength AS (Verin) falling around a 28-30
Weakest AS (daigian or Siuan) strength around 15-20
Strongest AS (Moiraine) around 45-50
Obviously I'm talking effective Strength if you want to compare to men and look at Raw strength all of these numbers go down quite a bit ... I'd guess you'd have to take about 25-30% off of a Woman's effective strength to see how a she compares to a Man.
Lanfear would now be a 70-75 compared to Rand at 100 in Raw strength. Meaning Moiraine would be about a 35 to Rand at 100. Which squares fairly well to the various quotes. Linked it would take about 6 average women to match Rand. Egwene at about 55 Raw linked with Lelaine and Romanda would be in the range of Rand, or at least close enough to where she couldn't be certain of overpowering a male Forsaken. And the 13 weakest women in the Tower could also match Rand and then some in Raw strength. Clearly when you add in the effectiveness bonus it's a different ball game, but I don't think most of the AS realize this as they are so wrapped up in Strength and they haven't had to really think too much about matching up against men on a regular basis so the fall back on what they can easily recognize ... Power.
But even Moghedien, the most Strength obsessed of the Forsaken puts her own Power in the range of the men now that she has lost her fearfulness. Clearly she is talking about Effective Strength here, but it is telling that she is in company with 4 of the strongest Channelers alive and makes this statement.
Scale looking something along these lines
Lanfear 100
Cyndane/Alivia 98
Graendal/Sharina 96
Nynaeve 94
Semirhage 93
Mesaana 91
Moghedien 87
With an Average strength AS (Verin) falling around a 28-30
Weakest AS (daigian or Siuan) strength around 15-20
Strongest AS (Moiraine) around 45-50
Obviously I'm talking effective Strength if you want to compare to men and look at Raw strength all of these numbers go down quite a bit ... I'd guess you'd have to take about 25-30% off of a Woman's effective strength to see how a she compares to a Man.
Lanfear would now be a 70-75 compared to Rand at 100 in Raw strength. Meaning Moiraine would be about a 35 to Rand at 100. Which squares fairly well to the various quotes. Linked it would take about 6 average women to match Rand. Egwene at about 55 Raw linked with Lelaine and Romanda would be in the range of Rand, or at least close enough to where she couldn't be certain of overpowering a male Forsaken. And the 13 weakest women in the Tower could also match Rand and then some in Raw strength. Clearly when you add in the effectiveness bonus it's a different ball game, but I don't think most of the AS realize this as they are so wrapped up in Strength and they haven't had to really think too much about matching up against men on a regular basis so the fall back on what they can easily recognize ... Power.
But even Moghedien, the most Strength obsessed of the Forsaken puts her own Power in the range of the men now that she has lost her fearfulness. Clearly she is talking about Effective Strength here, but it is telling that she is in company with 4 of the strongest Channelers alive and makes this statement.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes.
26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Re: Not sure that's completely true..
26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM
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This is what I've been saying for years!
26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM
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Probably something like this
26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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