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I'm not so sure Sidious Send a noteboard - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
but whenever people were arguing for that theory, we got a lot of replies that it made no sense for the DO to kill Lanfear unless there was no way to retrieve her alive and thus she died in Sindhol because Moridin had to kill her or the Finns did, and it had nothing to do with any idea of punishment.

Mind you, this in part had to do with the fact I was arguing that I was sure killing Lanfear was part of her punishment, and I wasn't so sure though it had happened in Finnland (I was arguing it was also possible it had been done at SG after her rescue, to punish her).

The confirmation by Moghedien that the killing of Lanfear was meant to punish her, thus that there was other ways to retrieve her but Moridin/the DO chose that one to punish her, means my reasoning wasn't crazy at all after all: stripping Lanfear of everything that made her Lanfear was absolutely intentional. She's the only transmigrated Forsaken whose former identity is completely taboo. It's part of her punishment that Lanfear is 100% gone. The others must use their new names and all, but they make no secret of who they were, and of the fact everyone knows. For Cyndane, it's "don't ask, don't tell". Cyndane herself has likely been warned she'll be punished for giving the others any signs of who she were.



I think Moghedien might have communicated the series of events incorrectly. She did, after all, rely on Moridin to tell her what had happened to Lanfear.

We know that Moridin came to look at Moiraine and said that it was not her. He then went to Lanfear, who was being drained by the Finns in a similar way. I think that adequately explains the loss of her strength, though it remains curious as to why this loss follows through after death.

Moridin was probably unwilling to bargain for Lanfear, knowing how treacherous the Finns are. He probably killed her as soon as he saw her and then fought off the Finns before leaving himself. That was probably his plan from the beginning.

I don't think his plan was much deeper than that really. Moridin doesn't strike me as a man who would go through too much effort to save a Chosen if the Dark One can snatch them after death and place them in a healthy body.

I fully realize the symbolism of destroying the Lanfear persona, and it follows through with Graendal. Moghedien thinks that the DO made Graendal ugly for the same reason, but its equally likely Shadar Haran tortured her to death and they put her in the next available body. I'm not sure if the symbolism of destroying their images is more probable than the theme of immortality and how the DO has permanent access to their souls that extends beyond death.
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