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Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken DomA Send a noteboard - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM
It really doesn't matter what Demandred has been up to at this point - raising armies in Shara, controlling Seanchan, pretending to be the King of Murandy - his character has been wasted. He was a gun on the wall that never fired, or if he does, it will be underwhelming in the extreme. Taim is a great example of what Demandred COULD have been - a character developed as an enemy who got very close.


I don't think the character of Demandred has been wasted as such. He certainly got disserved by the sheer length of the series, his build-up lasted like forever, but otherwise it isn't such a bad option to have kept him in reserve, careful not to undermine his aura like that of the other Forsaken characters who occupied the front of the stage and thus showed their flaws, and reveal him only as the central foe for the LB.

I think Demandred owes a great deal of the interest he sparks in some of the reader base mostly to the fact Jordan managed to keep him mysterious all along. It wouldn't have served Jordan better to reveal more tidbits about Demandred's plans only to frustrate the readers because Demandred's preparations wouldn't come into play before the LB.

Otherwise, Demandred's personality as someone unable to cope with the fact someone else succeeded better than him is that of the sort of character mostly interesting if developped with some psychological depth, and RJ never was a psychological writer. It also didn't help that the core of that story happened as back story and Demandred and Rand couldn't possibly repeat it or continue it credibly, except on a battlefield. That's why I think Jordan chose to introduce Taim and Logain as complementary and opposite substitutes for the Barid Bel Medar type of character near Rand, a way to show us a similar story, similar relationships and issues, without going back all the time to the AOL details themselves.

The bonus is that as Demandred enters the stage for real at last, that he finally commands a side of the War at last (rather than being one of the top generals), Jordan put a wrench in that and gave him a "second" that has many of the traits of Barid Bel Medar, and is likely not to be much more loyal to Demandred than Demandred was to LTT.
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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3085 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1335 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1288 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1163 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1247 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1109 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 649 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1087 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1039 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1080 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1059 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 962 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 916 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1264 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1231 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1137 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 652 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1026 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1436 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 885 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1295 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1024 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1033 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 969 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1212 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1216 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1037 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1227 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1283 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1461 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 947 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 996 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1041 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1167 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 991 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1189 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1661 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 985 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1083 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1222 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 888 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 858 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 967 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 956 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 931 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 961 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 965 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1019 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1051 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 853 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 993 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 974 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 849 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 996 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 863 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1171 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 918 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 812 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 811 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 900 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 862 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 828 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 957 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 887 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 843 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 833 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 906 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 871 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 966 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 782 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 843 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 983 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 716 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 863 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 865 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 835 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 784 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1029 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 928 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 823 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 865 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 937 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1007 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 903 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 975 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 932 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 955 Views

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