It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction
The Wandering Gambler Send a noteboard - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM
I feel a bit guilty, since its not the same, but I'm glad we have something. Good points on the meeting. She's not the most complex character, but I think Sanderson handled Moghedien well (she's always been Ms. Exposition after being downgraded as a threat in TSR).
Not really the place for this, but I enjoyed seeing Sandersons Talmanes. I think his Talmanes would ave been a great foils to RJ's Mat...
I downloaded the Prologue for AMOL, which you can all now purchase at Dragonmount.
In summary, the following has happened...
1. The chapter is from Moghedien's PoV where she goes to meet with the other Forsaken in a world made up by Moridin that is only half TAR, and the other half altered reality.
2. Moghedien has been freed of her captivity by Moridin and wears the mindtrap around her neck. She is paranoid about its safety.
3. Moghedien says that Cyndane is still Moridin's captive and she notices the Mindtrap around his neck. Cyndane is not at the meeting, nor does she arrive later. She confirms that Lanfear had been captive of the Finns and that they had fed on her ability. Moridin rescued her and killed her, both to rescue her and as punishment.
4. Demandred arrives, and as usual complains that he has been summoned. He notices that Moghedien has been freed. Moghedien once again confirms that she doesn't know what he is up to, and the chapter does not reveal where he is or whom he commands. Moghedien states that Demandred is held in very high esteem by the Dark One.
5. An old and very ugly woman joins them who Moghedien doesn't recognize and who is very strong in the Power. They gasp when they realize that it is Graendal, who is now presumably reborn as Hessalam, meaning 'without forgiveness'. Moghedien laughs at her.
6. Moridin confirms that they are all that remain of the Chosen. Mazrim Taim joins them and Moridin states that he has been raised to Chosen. Hesselam is scandalized but Moridin silences her.
7. Moridin assigns Moghedien to assist Demandred in preparation for war, and that if she complains he will make her feel pain like she has never known. Moghedien sulks.
Overall it was a very informative chapter, if you think about it. We now know that none of the Chosen will make a return. It's safe to say that Aginor, Sammael and Mesaana will not resurface and that there are five primary Forsaken for the end battle (with Taim now officially one of the Forsaken).
Moghedien is free of the mindtrap and she explains what happened to Lanfear in a few lines, but also in full. Lanfear is still not free of her slavery and torture. It seems as if Graendal was killed by SH, or after he dealt with her and placed in an old and ugly body. That, or some complex illusion is on her, though I doubt it. Graendal seems to have retained her character and power, and isn't a wreck like Mesaana was after SH dealt with her.
Demandred remains as mysterious as ever. There is even the insinuation that Moridin himself doesn't know what Demandred is up to - and Demandred says that he will discover in due time and be shocked at what he's accomplished.
As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.
Not really the place for this, but I enjoyed seeing Sandersons Talmanes. I think his Talmanes would ave been a great foils to RJ's Mat...
I downloaded the Prologue for AMOL, which you can all now purchase at Dragonmount.
In summary, the following has happened...
1. The chapter is from Moghedien's PoV where she goes to meet with the other Forsaken in a world made up by Moridin that is only half TAR, and the other half altered reality.
2. Moghedien has been freed of her captivity by Moridin and wears the mindtrap around her neck. She is paranoid about its safety.
3. Moghedien says that Cyndane is still Moridin's captive and she notices the Mindtrap around his neck. Cyndane is not at the meeting, nor does she arrive later. She confirms that Lanfear had been captive of the Finns and that they had fed on her ability. Moridin rescued her and killed her, both to rescue her and as punishment.
4. Demandred arrives, and as usual complains that he has been summoned. He notices that Moghedien has been freed. Moghedien once again confirms that she doesn't know what he is up to, and the chapter does not reveal where he is or whom he commands. Moghedien states that Demandred is held in very high esteem by the Dark One.
5. An old and very ugly woman joins them who Moghedien doesn't recognize and who is very strong in the Power. They gasp when they realize that it is Graendal, who is now presumably reborn as Hessalam, meaning 'without forgiveness'. Moghedien laughs at her.
6. Moridin confirms that they are all that remain of the Chosen. Mazrim Taim joins them and Moridin states that he has been raised to Chosen. Hesselam is scandalized but Moridin silences her.
7. Moridin assigns Moghedien to assist Demandred in preparation for war, and that if she complains he will make her feel pain like she has never known. Moghedien sulks.
Overall it was a very informative chapter, if you think about it. We now know that none of the Chosen will make a return. It's safe to say that Aginor, Sammael and Mesaana will not resurface and that there are five primary Forsaken for the end battle (with Taim now officially one of the Forsaken).
Moghedien is free of the mindtrap and she explains what happened to Lanfear in a few lines, but also in full. Lanfear is still not free of her slavery and torture. It seems as if Graendal was killed by SH, or after he dealt with her and placed in an old and ugly body. That, or some complex illusion is on her, though I doubt it. Graendal seems to have retained her character and power, and isn't a wreck like Mesaana was after SH dealt with her.
Demandred remains as mysterious as ever. There is even the insinuation that Moridin himself doesn't know what Demandred is up to - and Demandred says that he will discover in due time and be shocked at what he's accomplished.
As a final personal note, I find the style pretty bad. You will be stunned at the constant repetition of facts throughout these chapters. Yes, we hear again that Demandred has a hooked nose and is handsome. We hear again about the mystery of Cyndane, how crazy Ishamael was and how Demandred hates Lews Therin. It will leave you pretty nauseous if you think about how little we need to be reminded of these facts again and again. I didn't enjoy the style and found it almost amateur, if that isn't too offensive to say. It didn't remind me of any of the previous Forsaken chapters written by Jordan. Some of the metaphors are very weak and the Forsaken personalities are poorly captured.
AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction
20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes.
26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Probably something like this
26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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