It's strictly that I'm getting very impatient that fairly obvious things we keep repeating seem so hard to understand.
Galad as an adult or teenager would have been of use to House Mantear and Tigraine. I think there's no question that if Taringail was dead and Galad was older, House Mantear would have made him their heir, as later in life Galad became well-liked and extremely capable.
If Tigraine had no female heir and died unexpectedly but much later, he could have useful only if they managed to marry him before or as soon as Tigraine died to a woman from an allied House who had enough lines to Ishara that marrying Tigraine's son into Mantear would have made her suitable as the next Mantear Queen, and her daughter from Galad after her. But Mordrellen died when Galad was still but a toddler.
As a toddler, and with the power that the House holding to him would have given Taringail over House Mantear and its affairs and lands and revenues - and power over whom Galad eventually married and all that, House Mantear was much better letting this son of Tigraine go, because otherwise they all but handed a Great House of Andor to a Cairhienin schemer. He could have married Galad to a Saighan or Riatin or even a Damodred cousin and all the Mantear lands would in effect have been Cairhienin-held.
When Modrellen died, the only way Mantear could save the Crown using Galad was by marrying him immediately to some High Seat or her sister willing to forsake her House to enter Mantear and be Queen. That's been done in real history, but apparently it's not done in Andor... perhaps because for that woman to rule, with baby Galad and his schemer of father raising him, that Queen-to-be would never have managed to get the support of ten Great House. That also meant either choosing a very young woman - creating instability in Andor and risking no heir would show up for many years, or one woman young enough that in over 10 years she could still bear Galad a daughter, and in the meantime there would be not clear succession if she died...
Mantear chose a male High Seat from a more junior line, shortcircuiting Taringail's ambitions, and threw its support behind its ally House Trakand. They chose the good of Andor. That kept them in a very good position in Andor, and put the new Royal House in their debt... a debt they could very well repay by marrying one day a younger daughter of Morgase, or a granddaughter (bringing Morgase's lines to Ishara back into House Mantear), thus putting them right behind Trakand again if Trakand ran out of female heirs.
I'm expressing a POV on how I read a storyline not trying to prove a case before the Supreme Court of WoT. It's a forum, as in a place to discuss our perspectives with others.
That's not the problem at all, it's that your arguments in this debate contradict some known facts (eg: matrilinearity, that make Galad's Andoran ancestry pretty irrelevant) and that makes you argue completely in the left field despite our efforts to bring the debate back to the facts. You keep bringing up issues concerning Galad that would make sense in a different context, but don't make any sense given the facts we know.
Arguing about Galad's value later in life is pointless. We don't know what the fact he wore the name Damodred would have changed had Tigraine survived. Based on the fact he stands to be Elayne's FPOTS if Gawyn dies, it changed nothing to Galad's birthrights, and if he doesn't hold Mantear lands, it's probably because Mordrellen's holdings passed to the High Seat, not her closest relative.
As for Mantear letting him go, it wasn't much of a sacrifice. He was useless to Mantear nobles as a toddler, and he stood in their way to the HS and he had a very dangerous father. By letting Galad go, the Mantears helped secure an alliance that put the new Royal House of Andor in their debt (marrying Taringail solidified Morgase's claim), and that as a bonus rid them of a disliked Cairhienin schemer. By the time Galad grew up, he would have been a rival to the Mantears who rose in power.
Is that all unfair to Galad? Of course, he's been a political pawn in other people's hands all his childhood. At least he had Morgase's love.
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21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Wow ... Not sure what is bringing out the aggression
30/05/2012 10:19:18 PM
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*sigh*
30/05/2012 11:45:28 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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