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Exactly... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM

I'm kind of shocked that anyone thinks that Egwene is in for a fall in the last book. She's going to be one of the principle protagonists.

Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.

The list of people who disagreed with Rand includes Nynaeve, Min, Aviendha, Elayne, Cadsuane, Lan, Moiraine, Perrin... are we sensing a Pattern here yet?

We know for a fact that there have been previous turnings where the Pattern has set a counter to the Dragon soul. That counter was Hawkwing, who has worked with the Dragon as many times as he has opposed him.

What people don't seem to get is that opposition to the Dragon is not a sign of evil.

I'm not saying that Egwene's soul is also a counter the Wheel has used many times (I don't think she's LPD reborn, for example). But she certainly is being used as such at this point. And she has several Parallels with Hawkwing, too.

What mystifies me is that these people don't seem to pick on the respect Egwene and Rand display for each other in ToM. Are they set on a collision course? Sure. Are they exasperated by each other? Sure. Do they show respect for what the other has become? Yes!

These aren't rivals in a power play. These are allies who disagree. FoM is going to be nowhere close to the acrimonious battle of wills so many people are expects (even hoping).

And all signs point to them soon learning to work together, and Egwene being involved in Rand's "death". In many ways, the Seals debate is a distraction. I'm not even entirely sure Brandon didn't invent it to give a convenient end point to ToM, and that the real FoM debate was supposed to be about the Seanchan and the Dragon's Peace.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5034 Views
It's pretty damn cool. Stephen - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 2683 Views
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the pit of doom is hot alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2282 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Tweak - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 2838 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 2699 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2548 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* HousealThor - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 1996 Views
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Bored - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2449 Views
I really like it LadyLorraine - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 2734 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2465 Views
something like this? guttering flame - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3053 Views
well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM 2604 Views
If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM* HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM 2122 Views
when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM 2064 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) djwilson300 - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2467 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2426 Views
Me, too! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2529 Views
Well... DomA - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 2832 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2523 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn NaClH2O - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2562 Views
Yeah... DomA - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2484 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4070 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. alanna aes sedai - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3225 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2614 Views
She is DomA - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 2717 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2432 Views
Re: I don't know... DomA - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 2628 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2322 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" Joel - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2542 Views
What books have you been reading? fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2572 Views
Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year Joel - 11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM 2386 Views
I agree DomA - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 2680 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. Joel - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2632 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2334 Views
Agreed Sidious - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2439 Views
Exactly... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2397 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2439 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2360 Views
Re- Joel - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 2836 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2440 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2380 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2543 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Sidious - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2495 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. Joel - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2325 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2519 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 2738 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. DomA - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2505 Views
Yeah... fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2519 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2556 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. Joel - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2472 Views
Look at their foreheads Tor - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2566 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn DomA - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2523 Views
I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone. HyogaRott - 03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM 2340 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2355 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2509 Views
Idea Timthetrolloc - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2497 Views
Re: Idea Vidarfe - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2484 Views
Or.... Artsapat - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2374 Views
This would explain the hidden hand PatAtt - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2514 Views
That's a good point. Nate - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 2649 Views
Nah... HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2565 Views
Can you draw a blade guttering flame - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2495 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2411 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1575 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 2611 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2395 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too DomA - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 2632 Views
Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2363 Views
I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. Joel - 11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM 2513 Views
Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing. DomA - 11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM 2302 Views
Egwene-Mat... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2012 09:05:07 PM 2409 Views
Re: Egwene-Mat... DomA - 12/05/2012 05:31:29 AM 2751 Views
Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it. Joel - 13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM 2691 Views
The Seanchan assassin... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM 2327 Views
You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM 2373 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. fionwe1987 - 14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM 2410 Views
Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again. Joel - 21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM 2449 Views
looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome! *NM* Yunalesca - 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM 1950 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Gartax - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2370 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. Nate - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2497 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* DomA - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 1938 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* Gartax - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2309 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2441 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... DomA - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2596 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... Skeeve the Great - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3423 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* Milla - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 1968 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* mogi67 - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2047 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... wolfsister - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2579 Views
No Maidens of the Spear Knightscape - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2566 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear HyogaRott - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 2673 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 1851 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2095 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* guttering flame - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 957 Views
Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM* Artsapat - 08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM 1991 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* Onarishma - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2085 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: Nate - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 2697 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* Skeeve the Great - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2025 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* guttering flame - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 1960 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? Joel - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2477 Views
It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM* Deadsy - 11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM 1956 Views
agreed Sidious - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2558 Views
Partially concur HyogaRott - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2338 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* Deadsy - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 911 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted LadyLorraine - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1410 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too Yunalesca - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1371 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers A Deathwatch Guard - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1190 Views
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