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Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM
be black Aiel form the AOL for all we know. The rest is up to interpretation. Define as you will, but as has been state a million times in the series Prophesy is a tricky thing. I openly admit I could wrong. But defining the Aiel as only those who dwell in the Waste is purely a racial definition and even that is questionable since we have no idea how much of the AOL population of Aiel was addressed in the group who ended up in the Waste and seemingly they all came from a common AOL geography. What evidence do you have that all Aiel in the AOL looked like those we see now ... What about the Amayar?

I'm not trying to prove that the Tuatha'an are the "true Aiel" ... I'm staying that they embody a portion of the community. Just as the Aiel of the Waste embody other parts. Neither group would be considered true Aiel by their common ancestry and we don't have much beyond The Way and a handful of potentially genetic gifts to understand what a true Aiel was in the AOL.

I don't think Rand will destroy those who follow the Way, i think the Aiel who will survive as the remnant will be those that accept the true heritage of the Aiel. That is not by definition a genetic trait or a philosophy.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 1953 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1239 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 971 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 926 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 938 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 858 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 937 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1087 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 452 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 985 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1183 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 924 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 900 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 843 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 999 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 888 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1127 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 840 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 805 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 749 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 842 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 917 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 853 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 960 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 931 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 955 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 747 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 671 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 887 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 739 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 884 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 776 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 797 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 968 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 746 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 767 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 834 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 812 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 780 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 754 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 929 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 805 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 873 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 896 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 762 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 865 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 756 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 953 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 711 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 747 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 750 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 876 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 663 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 930 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 977 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 860 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 430 Views
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