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no.. urizen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM
It's not going to be that simple. Egwene had a dream of a long line of Aes Sedai being collared.Those could actually be the rebels, since the White Tower provides more protection from an attack. Egwene may be instrumental in having the WT Aes Sedai saving the rebels. Alternatively the large number of novices in the rebel camp (channelers who have not sworn on the Oath Rod) means that they have a better fighting chance - Aes Sedai can't really fight being collared, since they can't use the power to prevent that (A'dam does not threaten their life, only freedom).


Didn't Elaida have a foretelling or something that said the tower would be restored to glory with her at the helm?


Elaida had a fortelling that the Tower would be restored to glory under a Amyrlin and she naturally assumed it was herself the foretelling refered to.
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he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1845 Views
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nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 1115 Views
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1778 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 2125 Views
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Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1945 Views
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I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1897 Views
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is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 2068 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1879 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1858 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 2077 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1849 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1898 Views
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Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1836 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1901 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1803 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1869 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1956 Views
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I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 2043 Views
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In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 2007 Views
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And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 2075 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1903 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1177 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1219 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1930 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1962 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1963 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 2095 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1984 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1793 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1896 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 2032 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 2024 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1690 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 2121 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1989 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1780 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1920 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1925 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1970 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1997 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1835 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1895 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1994 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1148 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1901 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1853 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1904 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2178 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1906 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1850 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1877 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1127 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1785 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1907 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1724 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1970 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1713 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1880 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1908 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1945 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1960 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1779 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1913 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1902 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1968 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1868 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1897 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2228 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1095 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 2054 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1692 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1951 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1820 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1782 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1099 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 2095 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 2018 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 2124 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1910 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1238 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1975 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 2024 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1159 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1805 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1764 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1916 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1922 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1885 Views

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