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no.. urizen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM
It's not going to be that simple. Egwene had a dream of a long line of Aes Sedai being collared.Those could actually be the rebels, since the White Tower provides more protection from an attack. Egwene may be instrumental in having the WT Aes Sedai saving the rebels. Alternatively the large number of novices in the rebel camp (channelers who have not sworn on the Oath Rod) means that they have a better fighting chance - Aes Sedai can't really fight being collared, since they can't use the power to prevent that (A'dam does not threaten their life, only freedom).


Didn't Elaida have a foretelling or something that said the tower would be restored to glory with her at the helm?


Elaida had a fortelling that the Tower would be restored to glory under a Amyrlin and she naturally assumed it was herself the foretelling refered to.
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1978 Views
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Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1787 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1710 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1697 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1920 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1687 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1752 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1822 Views
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Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1676 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1714 Views
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In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1854 Views
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Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1749 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 1092 Views
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Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1780 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1799 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1802 Views
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Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1834 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1638 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1751 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1882 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1874 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1536 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1971 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1822 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1632 Views
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Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1757 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1817 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1842 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1674 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1734 Views
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Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 1064 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1745 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1696 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1736 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 2019 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1752 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1706 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 1046 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1643 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1751 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1567 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1824 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1568 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1723 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1759 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1803 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1807 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1629 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1760 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1750 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1802 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1710 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1733 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 2078 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 1013 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1901 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1542 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1776 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1668 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1622 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 1020 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1907 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1860 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1962 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1763 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1154 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1826 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1866 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 1079 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1652 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1607 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1864 Views
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LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1729 Views

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