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Martin Reznick
How was the Dark One created, i.e. is he a fallen angel, an inherent part of the universe, etc.?

Robert Jordan
I envision the Dark One as being the dark counterpart, the dark balance if you will, to the Creator...carrying on the theme, the ying yang, light dark, necessity of balance theme that has run through the books. It's somewhat Manichean i know, but I think it works.


I never understood why people keep arguing that Shai'tan isn't the equal of the Creator, when Jordan made it very unambiguous that they are each other's counterpart much like saidin and saidar are counterparts.

It even seems obvious to me that since the Pattern is Creation/reality and is woven of saidin and saidar, than it means the Pattern itself the True Source too, and that the True Source is the essence of the Creator itself, just like the True Power is Shai'tan's own essence/energy. And it sounds obvious that the DO's "prison" is simply enough the boundary of the the Pattern.

This all seems to be about life and death in the end. In Creation, true death doesn't exist, with the DO real life doesn't exist. In Creation, death is merely a temporary stage/state before rebirth, in an eternal cycle. It sounds likely within Creation there are no means to destroy a soul. They are eternal, the Creator can't give the final death. With Shai'tan, it's true life that doesn't exist. So far, all we've seen from him is creature given life in Creation and corrupted by the TP, like Shadowspawn, like Shaidar Haran and so on. Shai'tan winning would put an end to Life (at least Moridin certainly believes so).
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2096 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1037 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1103 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1171 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1000 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1034 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1052 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 982 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 863 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 921 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 808 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 896 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 829 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 550 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1008 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1022 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 881 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 882 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 850 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 752 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 736 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 896 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 948 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 706 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 816 Views
Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 678 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 646 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 706 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 714 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 974 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 642 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 994 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 749 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 373 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 701 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1003 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 689 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 711 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 860 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 704 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 683 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 795 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 737 Views
Yep . - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 705 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 801 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 812 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 623 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 828 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 968 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 914 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 749 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 753 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 717 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 744 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 691 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 729 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 921 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 737 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 870 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 942 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 914 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 807 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 910 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 727 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 841 Views

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