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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM

Actually, it served a lower purpose. It was an indication of how far Rand had fallen at the time. That part of the story was all about how dark Rand was becoming, and that Shai'tan was granting him direct access to the power of pure evil is indication enough of that.


Thats opinion, and not supported by the text of that scene IMO. Rand reached out to anything he could to save his wife whom he was about to murder. It was desperation, not malice. The fact that he had access to the TP is a physical occurence ... He's linked to Moridin. Obviously the DO wanted Rand to channel it and there's no denying that Rand is close to evil before his renaissance, but the Forsaken are also evil and they don't want to touch it, so its really not linked to any sort of moral standing on his part.


i don't know how they're going to fix the prison, but that doesn't make your suggestion any more feasible. The burden of proof is on your claim, and you haven't addressed either of the evident flaws I mentioned in the previous post.


Well I thought I was addressing the Moridin issue. The DO may need to cut him off from the TP to stop Rand from using it, which he may not want to do. Unless Rand is in the Bore he needs Moridin to defend the Shadow.

As for TDR he didnt need to beg the DO for assistance. He may have been using the TP all along. At that point it says he became darker than the light of Callandor. The DO may have filled him with a massive amount of the TP, hence Ishamael's triumphant look.
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2096 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1037 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1102 Views
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1052 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 982 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 863 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 921 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 808 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 896 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 829 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 550 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1008 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1021 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 881 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 882 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 850 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 752 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 735 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 895 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 947 Views
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Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 678 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 646 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 706 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 714 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 974 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 642 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 994 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 749 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 373 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 701 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1002 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 689 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 710 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 859 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 703 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 683 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 737 Views
Yep . - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 705 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 800 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 812 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 623 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 828 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 967 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 914 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 748 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 752 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 717 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 744 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 691 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 729 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 921 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 736 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 870 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 942 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 914 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 807 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 909 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 727 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 841 Views

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