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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM
On a purely practical level, why would Shai'tan allow it? The True Power is not an impersonal power source like the True Source, it's Shai'tan essence. Even if you contend that his link with Moridin will allow him access, even Ishamael needed to beg Shai'tan's support, see their confrontation at the end of The Dragon Reborn.

In D&D terms, one is Wizard magic and the other is Cleric magic.


Rand didn't just touch the TP in TGS as part of a lure by the DO. I'm sure it serves a greater purpose. As I said, something has to touch the DO. Unless you have a theory on what could be used to prevent the taint occurring again, I think the TP is a good alternative.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2095 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1036 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1101 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1171 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 999 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1033 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1051 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 982 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 862 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 921 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 808 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 895 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 828 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 550 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1007 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1021 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 880 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 882 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 850 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 751 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 735 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 895 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 946 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 706 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 816 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 676 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 646 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 706 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 713 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 974 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 639 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 994 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 748 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 373 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 701 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1001 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 688 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 709 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 858 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 703 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 683 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 794 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 737 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 705 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 800 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 810 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 622 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 827 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 966 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 912 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 748 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 752 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 716 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 744 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 690 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 728 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 920 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 736 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 869 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 940 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 913 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 807 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 909 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 726 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 840 Views
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