Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
DomA Send a noteboard - 06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM
That being the group that sets out from Emond's Field in tEotW, plus their significant others, with Gawyn being a possible exception. To be honest we know that most of them survive already, Nicola's Foretelling reveals that Rand and his ladies will survive TG, Min's vision of the broken crown around Perrin means he and Faile have to survive until she gets the Saldaean crown. RJ was planning on doing more novels with Mat and Tuon.
Which of Nicola's foretellings are you referring to? And Min's vision could come true early in aMoL if Tenobia dies.
Not to mention Perrin is not in any way heir to the throne and would be far more likely to get the baton of marshall-general if and when Faile gets the throne than to ever wear that crown himself. That viewing is thus most unlikely to refer directly to him as ruler, but to the link between him and the Broken Crown of Saldaea. The last book will tell us how close the link represented by the viewing will be. For all we know, it's already fulfilled by having Perrin marry an heir to the Broken Crown and isn't representing Faile becoming Queen at all.
I don't expect Perrin to ever wear a the Broken Crown, but I do think Faile will and once she does it will fulfill the vision. Though to be honest I guess it could be fulfilled just having Perrin marry her, though that seems pretty weak to me.
IRRC, so far there has not been any viewing that was do not directly concern the person viewed. It's not about Faile but about Perrin (though obviously, it means something related to his connection to Faile). Whether it's fulfilled or not by this point is whether the Crown is a symbol of the Saldean royal line, thus representing the connection of Perrin to the Broken Crown via Faile, or if it's a symbol for Faile becoming Queen (but why Perrin had this viewing can't be that, it does not concern Perrin directly, it would rather refer to what it will mean for Perrin that his wife gains the Broken Crown). We'll know only with AMOL. If Faile becomes Queen early (but she's third in line at this point), it will have to be that. That's not the only possible meaning either: the Crown is currently on someone's head, and it could concern something arising from the meeting of Perrin and Tenobia during AMOL (such as her naming Perrin Marshall-General when Davram dies). If nothing specific happens in AMOL, we'll have to conclude it was rather about one or the other of the stages in the Faile-Perrin relationship (could be anything, from their initial meeting or the moment she slipped about the Broken Crown or their wedding - we'll never know for sure as the BC would merely have represented the Bashere).
In a few cases it's very hard to tell which of those early viewings have been fulfilled and which haven't been fulfilled. Only after the last book we will know. That Faile becomes Queen in the timeframe of the series is certainly a possibility, as Min got two other Crown viewings (Darlin, Elayne) that meant the person she viewed it for would be King/Queen. For Perrin, she didn't know the meaning or didn't share, and it would be unique for Min so far that'd she'd see a Crown for Perrin rather than in a viewing of Faile.
A similar ambiguous viewing from EOTW is for Lan, a baby and the broken towers. The debate is still open what it really meant. Personally, I believe it represents Lan's heritage, but the meaning of that is that his heritage, his oath taken by his parents at his birth (which he put aside) he would return to before the end of the series (so possibly this got fulfilled in KOD, or it represents Lan's current actions and his raising at last of the Golden Crane banner for TG. Others (who got confused about what Jordan meant by "it's about the future" are convinced the baby can't be Lan and it must be about his heir from Nynaeve and it means Malkier will return.
So who thinks Elayne will die in aMoL?
29/02/2012 04:02:07 AM
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Given the various Foretellings and Min Viewings the only way Elayne can die
29/02/2012 05:48:50 AM
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There is the one vision Min had of Aveinda where she was going to have 4? babies but it was odd *NM*
29/02/2012 04:53:46 PM
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She's already gone from Caemlyn at the timeof the attack, at the meeting in Merrilor
29/02/2012 05:29:27 PM
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I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
29/02/2012 10:44:29 PM
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Ok...
01/03/2012 03:23:11 AM
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practically speaking you're correct. But this is a fantasy novel with a pro-protagonist tone
01/03/2012 04:24:38 PM
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I disagree...
01/03/2012 06:29:32 PM
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not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
02/03/2012 05:51:03 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
04/03/2012 06:46:12 PM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
04/03/2012 07:32:31 PM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
05/03/2012 01:54:49 AM
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is there any chance that the broken crown could refer to Manethrean? (sp?)
05/03/2012 02:10:17 AM
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Perrin bringing Manthrean back seems unlikely
05/03/2012 04:28:57 PM
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No, I realize that
05/03/2012 09:12:56 PM
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Re: No, I realize that
06/03/2012 02:14:14 AM
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Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail
06/03/2012 02:45:28 PM
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Re: Ahhh. I had forgotten that particular detail
07/03/2012 03:43:59 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
06/03/2012 01:47:08 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
05/03/2012 01:51:46 AM
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Re: not everyone, but I'd bet the core group all survives
06/03/2012 02:35:23 AM
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RJ says otherwise
07/03/2012 02:08:23 PM
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Re: RJ says otherwise
08/03/2012 04:53:42 AM
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You misunderstand my point
09/03/2012 05:31:09 AM
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Re: You misunderstand my point
09/03/2012 12:40:29 PM
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Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising
09/03/2012 01:23:06 PM
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Re: Agreed. For all we know the baby image could be Lan meeting the oath taken for him by raising
09/03/2012 07:18:41 PM
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Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
01/03/2012 03:10:35 PM
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I didn't know Naelson was a Darkfriend, or Tylin either. What about Jaim?
02/03/2012 01:45:57 AM
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they're not main characters either
02/03/2012 05:58:13 AM
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Yes. I am classifying Main Characters as Rand, Egwene, Elayne, Perrin, Mat, Avi, Min and Nynaeve.
02/03/2012 05:42:58 PM
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Re: I also get the feeling that RJ isn't going to kill off any main characters
02/03/2012 12:53:41 AM
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And you think she won't hop back to Caemlyn the moment word comes of the attack? *NM*
01/03/2012 03:22:11 AM
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No, she won't be able to weave the gateway and Rand won't let anyone make her one. *NM*
02/03/2012 01:48:06 AM
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The smartass answer: Birgitte. But, despite all seeming evidence, I don't know why anyone would. *NM*
01/03/2012 04:36:22 PM
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It's fairly doubtful
04/03/2012 04:34:01 PM
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Agreed.
04/03/2012 06:37:25 PM
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Re: Agreed.
04/03/2012 08:38:45 PM
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I expect Moiraine to be the second woman to link with Rand
05/03/2012 02:08:44 AM
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I'm very suspicious of the whole "Callandor" theory....
06/03/2012 03:27:05 AM
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I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up
06/03/2012 04:04:13 AM
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Re: I have wondered for a long time if the Ogier, Rand, Aiel and the Tinkers won't end up
06/03/2012 03:10:45 PM
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