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Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT Send a noteboard - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM
Here's the actual text from the book:

"My Power, Thom," she explained. "I could hear them barking and hissing to one another as they fed on me, both Aelfinn and Eelfinn in turn. They have not often had an Aes Sedai to themselves, it seems. While draining my ability to channel, they were fed twofold--my sorrow at what I was losing and the Power itself. My capacity has been greatly reduced.
"They claimed to have killed Lanfear by draining her too quickly, though I think they may have been trying to make me afraid. A man was there once, when they woke me. He said I was not the one he wanted." She hesitated, then shivered. "Sometimes I wished they would drain me quickly and end my life."
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"They gave you your three demands?" Mat asked, frowning.
"I passed through the ter'angreal," she said. "The ancient treaty held for both of us, though with the doorway destroyed, there was no simple return."


So we see that Moraine did see that Lanfear was alive after falling through the doorway, and that the treaty held for her too. Then while she was being fed on, she was made tastier by the frightful news that Lanfear had died this way. She didn't believe it, and Moridin's presence is pretty suggestive that it wasn't true.

The question then, is how did she die? Did the Finns agree to let her go on the condition that she was dead? Do the Finns have to keep to bargains with the Shadow? I don't see how killing her would accomplish anything for the Finns, however. They would want Moridin to give up something. Even if he was trying to trick the Finns into thinking he wanted Lanfear alive, he wouldn't risk killing her there where there was the chance she might not be transmigrated, and he knew perfectly well that he could kill her whenever he wanted. I bet he brought along a captive channeler to exchange. Then I think events proceeded like you suggest, with the utter stripping, humiliation, and enslavement of the Shadow's most vain and self-interested servant.

LoialT :]
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What did happen to Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 2376 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Cannoli - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1217 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1090 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 875 Views
We can only theorize Sidious - 24/02/2012 08:14:49 AM 957 Views
The Forsaken aren't a great parameter to judge from LadyLorraine - 24/02/2012 04:10:35 PM 805 Views
Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject Sidious - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 938 Views
not all things need to be explained. LadyLorraine - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 696 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 899 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland DomA - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1340 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* darius_sedai - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 370 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 726 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... DomA - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 791 Views
Why so? fionwe1987 - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 735 Views
I pretty much agree Sidious - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 935 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 689 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me Gartax - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 662 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 711 Views
Well... Sidious - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 796 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 826 Views
Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 09:52:49 PM 657 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? Sidious - 29/02/2012 11:28:10 AM 836 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:51:10 AM 697 Views
Re: Why so? DomA - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 841 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1189 Views
Limits of resurrection... fionwe1987 - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 993 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer Nargs - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 918 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf Cannoli - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 793 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. Nargs - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 846 Views
And you know this, how? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 801 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. Nargs - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1170 Views
I think it is clear enough... entyti - 23/02/2012 08:42:24 PM 937 Views
Or maybe he was not there to negotiate for her release, just get close to kill her for the soul-swap *NM* Cannoli - 23/02/2012 10:15:01 PM 450 Views
Or maybe that was the best deal he could make with them. *NM* fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 12:17:06 AM 380 Views
always figured it was slayer who told the finns she wasn't the one he was lookin for *NM* nigelgoboom - 25/02/2012 10:15:55 PM 406 Views
Maybe they can only drain a fixed amount - and did so to both women equally... Shannow - 24/02/2012 08:32:56 PM 921 Views
Ahh, Shannow... fionwe1987 - 25/02/2012 03:51:10 AM 865 Views
I laughed too *NM* Sidious - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 377 Views
Hilarious even for you darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 801 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 12:19:57 AM 441 Views
Seems convoluted to me darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:44:18 AM 781 Views
his sanity? *NM* Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 06:07:25 PM 496 Views
HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 368 Views
I wonder if he traded a taste of the True Power? LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 12:26:56 AM 695 Views
Now that is an interesting theory! darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 681 Views
Maybe they can use the TP LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 869 Views
Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, Evil_Monkey - 29/02/2012 03:03:55 PM 663 Views
Why not? I believe RJ basically said they are so different from humans that we could not define darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:54:40 AM 768 Views
Yet Light vs. Shadow is? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:17:14 AM 750 Views
That could boil down to prophesy v. Prophesy darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 05:33:52 AM 768 Views
Re: Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, DomA - 08/03/2012 09:28:52 PM 695 Views
LOVE IT ... Great thoughts! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:52:38 AM 315 Views
The foxhead... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 768 Views
Yes, but that doesn't mean an Aes Sedai made it. LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:20:10 PM 730 Views
There are others that are just as effective though .. Nynaeve has one and so does Cadsuane darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:53:46 PM 879 Views
My point was... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:34:34 PM 606 Views
What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 06:45:42 PM 724 Views
Re: What makes you think so? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 11:22:06 PM 645 Views
Re: What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 02/03/2012 12:57:13 AM 681 Views
It depends.... DomA - 08/03/2012 09:54:45 PM 781 Views
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