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He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf Cannoli Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM
We still don't have an answer as to what happened to Lanfear, just clues which you can decide to believe or not.

According to Moiraine, the Finns fed off of her directly. This is very similar to when Mat was before them and they enjoyed the savour. It does seem that channelers are even sweeter for them, and that they can feed directly off of the channeler's ability. Moiraine has been slowly drained and is now very weak in the Power, which proves that they can drain the channeler's ability to permanently. This is a remarkable ability if you think about it.. The Forsaken can't accept that Cyndane is Lanfear because she is weaker in the Power, implying that they are unfamiliar to any method whereby channelers are weakened permanently. We know that Imperfect Healing of stilling has this effect, and for a time this was a theory surrounding Cyndane's weakness. Other theories have surrounded complex shielding, especially Moridin perhaps using the TP on her.

Moiraine says that they drained Lanfear too quickly and killed her, but she thinks that this is a lie made to frighten her.

I personally believe it is the truth.
While Moiraine's track record does not support a reflexive acceptance of her version, there really is no reason to believe otherwise in this case.

Moiraine's statement implies that she never saw Lanfear after they fell through the doorway, because she relies on news by the Finns to remark on her. It is thus most likely that the two of them lost consciousness after they fell through the door. This is not really unexpected considering so much of the Power was being used and it involved a ter'angreal. Many readers thought that both of the channelers were stilled or killed at that time. It also explains how they captured them. Rand proved early on that even with a fire sword they were no match for him, and Moiraine and Lanfear are no easy meat.
Yeah, Moiraine's really tough when she has a good shot at your back, and Lanfear is an unhinged lunatic coasting on the power of the Dark One. For people who can manipulate reality, they ARE easy meat. Rand was protected by the treaties.

For some reason they drained Lanfear too quickly. It could be because they are inexperienced regarding the process and Lanfear was their first victim or perhaps such a rare treat made them ravenous and they piled in. It is also possible that Lanfears great strength the Power was the factor that drove them to overdo it... A bit like landing the fattest turkey in the land. It is unlikely that they killed Lanfear deliberately either because she was part of the Shadow, which they hate, or because she cursed or mocked them... Moiraine seemed rather comatose in her draining fog.
Why would Lanfear not be similarly comatose?

Lanfear actually got a good deal. If she'd been drained slowly like Moiraine I suspect she would still be a captive, and about as weak as Moiraine is. I find it unlikely Moridin or SH would rescue her unless they saw a direct need as they did with Semirhage. Her almost instant death lost her some strength but prevented further loss in the end.
Than who was the guy who came in, looked at Moiraine and pretty much said "No, not her. Who else do you have?" I don't have the books handy, but I thought Moiraine told Mat & Thom about someone who was shown her, but was actually seeking someone else.

All in all, I think we have been given the answer as to how events played out regarding Moiraine and Lanfear. Moiraine thinks its a lie but it probably isnt.


Why? If she got drained all the way, how would she come back weaker? Either she would be the same as she was before falling in, or she would be totally gone. Why would she be reincarnated or put in a new body at partial strength? The most likely explanation is that Moridin came and ransomed her back before all that much of her strength was drained, or at least killed her so she could be put in a new body.
Cannoli
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What did happen to Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 2235 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1134 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1019 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 802 Views
We can only theorize - 24/02/2012 08:14:49 AM 882 Views
The Forsaken aren't a great parameter to judge from - 24/02/2012 04:10:35 PM 726 Views
Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 836 Views
not all things need to be explained. - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 654 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 815 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1230 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 341 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 653 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 721 Views
Why so? - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 665 Views
I pretty much agree - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 861 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 621 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 591 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 645 Views
Well... - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 727 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 759 Views
Re: Why so? - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 774 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1118 Views
Limits of resurrection... - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 915 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 851 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 725 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 780 Views
And you know this, how? - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 737 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1106 Views
Maybe they can only drain a fixed amount - and did so to both women equally... - 24/02/2012 08:32:56 PM 854 Views
Ahh, Shannow... - 25/02/2012 03:51:10 AM 789 Views
I laughed too *NM* - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 346 Views
Hilarious even for you - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 721 Views
Exactly! *NM* - 27/02/2012 12:19:57 AM 416 Views
Seems convoluted to me - 26/02/2012 12:44:18 AM 713 Views
his sanity? *NM* - 28/02/2012 06:07:25 PM 464 Views
HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 339 Views
I wonder if he traded a taste of the True Power? - 29/02/2012 12:26:56 AM 618 Views
Now that is an interesting theory! - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 611 Views
Maybe they can use the TP - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 795 Views
Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, - 29/02/2012 03:03:55 PM 590 Views
Why not? I believe RJ basically said they are so different from humans that we could not define - 01/03/2012 04:54:40 AM 699 Views
Yet Light vs. Shadow is? - 01/03/2012 05:17:14 AM 682 Views
That could boil down to prophesy v. Prophesy - 01/03/2012 05:33:52 AM 698 Views
LOVE IT ... Great thoughts! *NM* - 01/03/2012 04:52:38 AM 287 Views
The foxhead... - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 685 Views
Yes, but that doesn't mean an Aes Sedai made it. - 01/03/2012 04:20:10 PM 657 Views
My point was... - 01/03/2012 05:34:34 PM 542 Views
What makes you think so? - 01/03/2012 06:45:42 PM 634 Views
Re: What makes you think so? - 01/03/2012 11:22:06 PM 571 Views
Re: What makes you think so? - 02/03/2012 12:57:13 AM 603 Views
It depends.... - 08/03/2012 09:54:45 PM 697 Views

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