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Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM
Yeah, Moiraine's really tough when she has a good shot at your back, and Lanfear is an unhinged lunatic coasting on the power of the Dark One. For people who can manipulate reality, they ARE easy meat. Rand was protected by the treaties.

They were probably unconscious, which is the point.

Why would Lanfear not be similarly comatose?

I'm sure she was, that's the point.

Than who was the guy who came in, looked at Moiraine and pretty much said "No, not her. Who else do you have?" I don't have the books handy, but I thought Moiraine told Mat & Thom about someone who was shown her, but was actually seeking someone else.

Yes I forgot about that, but it is possible that she was dead and they told Moridin that. Alternatively he purchased her somehow, but I'm not sure how killing her later would benefit him.


Why? If she got drained all the way, how would she come back weaker? Either she would be the same as she was before falling in, or she would be totally gone. Why would she be reincarnated or put in a new body at partial strength? The most likely explanation is that Moridin came and ransomed her back before all that much of her strength was drained, or at least killed her so she could be put in a new body.

I think its a balance between draining the person and killing them. If they drain you too quickly you probably die, much like having your life force drained. If they do it slowly you become physically weak but you do not die. My other point is that the strength reduction may be permanent if they draining is linked to the soul, which I think it might be. In that case, Moiraine will always come back weaker. I should have explained that in the original post but skipped several steps.
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What did happen to Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 2376 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Cannoli - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1217 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? Sidious - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1090 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 875 Views
We can only theorize Sidious - 24/02/2012 08:14:49 AM 957 Views
The Forsaken aren't a great parameter to judge from LadyLorraine - 24/02/2012 04:10:35 PM 805 Views
Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject Sidious - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 938 Views
not all things need to be explained. LadyLorraine - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 695 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 899 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland DomA - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1340 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* darius_sedai - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 370 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 726 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... DomA - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 790 Views
Why so? fionwe1987 - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 735 Views
I pretty much agree Sidious - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 935 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 689 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me Gartax - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 662 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 711 Views
Well... Sidious - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 796 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 826 Views
Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 09:52:49 PM 656 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? Sidious - 29/02/2012 11:28:10 AM 836 Views
Re: Wouldn't they have just kept her then or killed her right off the bat then? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:51:10 AM 697 Views
Re: Why so? DomA - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 841 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear LoialT - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1188 Views
Limits of resurrection... fionwe1987 - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 993 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer Nargs - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 918 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf Cannoli - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 792 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. Nargs - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 846 Views
And you know this, how? fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 800 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. Nargs - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1170 Views
I think it is clear enough... entyti - 23/02/2012 08:42:24 PM 937 Views
Or maybe he was not there to negotiate for her release, just get close to kill her for the soul-swap *NM* Cannoli - 23/02/2012 10:15:01 PM 450 Views
Or maybe that was the best deal he could make with them. *NM* fionwe1987 - 24/02/2012 12:17:06 AM 380 Views
always figured it was slayer who told the finns she wasn't the one he was lookin for *NM* nigelgoboom - 25/02/2012 10:15:55 PM 406 Views
Maybe they can only drain a fixed amount - and did so to both women equally... Shannow - 24/02/2012 08:32:56 PM 921 Views
Ahh, Shannow... fionwe1987 - 25/02/2012 03:51:10 AM 865 Views
I laughed too *NM* Sidious - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 377 Views
Hilarious even for you darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 801 Views
Exactly! *NM* fionwe1987 - 27/02/2012 12:19:57 AM 441 Views
Seems convoluted to me darius_sedai - 26/02/2012 12:44:18 AM 781 Views
his sanity? *NM* Yunalesca - 28/02/2012 06:07:25 PM 496 Views
HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* darius_sedai - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 368 Views
I wonder if he traded a taste of the True Power? LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 12:26:56 AM 695 Views
Now that is an interesting theory! darius_sedai - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 681 Views
Maybe they can use the TP LadyLorraine - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 869 Views
Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, Evil_Monkey - 29/02/2012 03:03:55 PM 663 Views
Why not? I believe RJ basically said they are so different from humans that we could not define darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:54:40 AM 768 Views
Yet Light vs. Shadow is? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:17:14 AM 750 Views
That could boil down to prophesy v. Prophesy darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 05:33:52 AM 768 Views
Re: Considering how they feel about anything dealing with the shadow, DomA - 08/03/2012 09:28:52 PM 695 Views
LOVE IT ... Great thoughts! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:52:38 AM 315 Views
The foxhead... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 768 Views
Yes, but that doesn't mean an Aes Sedai made it. LadyLorraine - 01/03/2012 04:20:10 PM 730 Views
There are others that are just as effective though .. Nynaeve has one and so does Cadsuane darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 04:53:46 PM 879 Views
My point was... fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 05:34:34 PM 606 Views
What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 01/03/2012 06:45:42 PM 724 Views
Re: What makes you think so? fionwe1987 - 01/03/2012 11:22:06 PM 645 Views
Re: What makes you think so? darius_sedai - 02/03/2012 12:57:13 AM 680 Views
It depends.... DomA - 08/03/2012 09:54:45 PM 781 Views
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