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Correct. Shannow Send a noteboard - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM
It's been stated multiple times that 'angreals count as a multiplicative of the channelers strength. Angreals double or triple channeler strength. So you want me to believe that Cyndane is as strong as the second strongest channeler alive, times 2?

I'm calling shenanigans.

They were on equal footing because Cyndane knows how to duel with the power, whereas Alivia just knows to stand in one place and blast away.


Sidious is being a bit difficult today. He actually meant what you said, but apparently did not feel the need to elaborate.

You are entirely correct. Jordan said that it was Cyndane's superior knowledge that allowed her to stand toe to toe with Alivia, despite being overwhelmingly outmatched from a strength perspective.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1871 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Shannow - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 775 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Nessarra - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 790 Views
Yes, you are probably correct Sidious - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 891 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed Watcher - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 698 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 728 Views
I find that unlikely Sidious - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 696 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? Shannow - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 667 Views
Well.... Sidious - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 729 Views
Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 735 Views
Re: Well there we have it Sidious - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 763 Views
Re: Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 701 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 772 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* Sidious - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 403 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 681 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? Sidious - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 680 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... Shannow - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 822 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 633 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... Shannow - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 662 Views
Yes! And...? fionwe1987 - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 671 Views
Yes I would agree with that Sidious - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 822 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 599 Views
No Sidious - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 687 Views
That makes no sense. TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 752 Views
Correct. Shannow - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 694 Views
Re: Correct. Sidious - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 688 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Shannow - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1128 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Sidious - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 611 Views
There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Shannow - 15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM 695 Views
Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Sidious - 17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM 748 Views
Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning... Shannow - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM 601 Views
How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM 633 Views
Repyling at bottom of thread for space reasons... *NM* Shannow - 17/12/2011 02:57:43 PM 374 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 705 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 556 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 758 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 339 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 557 Views
And darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 659 Views
Yes Cannoli - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 814 Views
Re: Yes RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 717 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, Shannow - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 777 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 741 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... Shannow - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 650 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 638 Views
What Rand is doing... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 760 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 561 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 638 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" Shannow - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 734 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 679 Views
On gateways Sidious - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 719 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. echooff - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 915 Views
I suspect he knows that... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 632 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. Shannow - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 683 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 632 Views
But Shielding is also relative. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1889 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 677 Views
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