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Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM
without cadsuane, he and nynaeve would've been alone at shadar logoth, since he didn't consider having people there to guard them.

so i'd say he'd be doing pretty crappily.


i'd consider this a valid argument if cadsuane were the one who "guided" him to cleanse saidin or even gave him the idea. she just tagged along for the ride, offering up her help - that's not really "guidance"

True. But I don't think Egwene or Cadsuane want to tell Rand what to do, and certainly don't intend to plan all his actions. They just want to keep him grounded. And he needs that.
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Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1526 Views
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Or Sidious - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1703 Views
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Re: is she wrong? fionwe1987 - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1374 Views
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She wants part of the glory. *NM* Bulgakov - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 863 Views
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Totally disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1388 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* AgentOrange - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 918 Views
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Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? BlackAdder - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1397 Views
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No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* Matrimony Cauthon - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 948 Views
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Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. Darth_Katie - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1332 Views
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Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. The Angry Druid - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1499 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 929 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1416 Views
Humph. Great Lord of Chaos - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1362 Views
She was overconfident Rurouni_Kenshin - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1400 Views
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She believes what she said *NM* Sidious - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 913 Views
Remember, perspective. Great Lord of Chaos - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1299 Views
It might well be true BlackAdder - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1414 Views
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Re: I had many of those same thoughts. Knightscape - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1392 Views
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Ridiculous Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1294 Views
Very. Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1433 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1410 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1465 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1375 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Fanatic-Templar - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1398 Views
Re: Hmmm.... RandAllThor - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1717 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* guttering flame - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 860 Views
Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1464 Views
How do you figure? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1217 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1411 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? Fanatic-Templar - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1315 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1283 Views
Ignore *NM* Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 892 Views
Oh yeah, and... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1541 Views
Egwene in this chapter... fionwe1987 - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1443 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... Fanatic-Templar - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1571 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading ajfurst - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1433 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* AgentOrange - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1022 Views
A lot of that is the narrator Isaac - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1495 Views
The Dark One's Touch Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1519 Views
Good point! *NM* Etzel - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 927 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch Sidious - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1315 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Lanfear - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1287 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? Rurouni_Kenshin - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1525 Views
The Irony of Elaida dadof5 - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1430 Views
LOL, I agree. Great Lord of Chaos - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1397 Views
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