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Egwene matured a bit, BUT redhand Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM
Actually, this was kind of a surprise... they released chapter 2 on audio.

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No expected explosion. Just more down-to-earth real work. I like it. It is easier to have a shouting match with Elaida, much harder to do the real work of uniting the different factions.

I have two thoughts after this.

First, would Egwene realize her own abuse of personal obeience oath? It has been clear that the Oath Rod is abused way more than before. Previously, the Three Oath have come to a realtive balance of pretecting the world from AS abuse. With the personal obeience oath, by so many different factions, I don't know how they are ever going to put the genie back inside the bottle.

We have seen conflicting oath before. I bet we would see a circular oath in the book very soon. So AS A has to obey AS B, and AS B has to obey AS C, but AS C must obey AS A.

With personal obeience oath, you have a Sul'dam, damane relationship without the A'dam. Have the damane bound to sul'dam, then tell the damane to function like what the A'dam would enforce, and you have a slavery relationship right there. The only reason we have not seen it is because people have not yet used the oath like. But I can't see why people are so against the Seanchan practice can allow those type of oath to exist.

Second, I don't exactly get the food rotting thing. When food rot, I think you can no longer get any nutrition out of it. But the few examples here, you can still eat it, and it still gives you nutrition, just it tastes horrible. Adding spice to wine(Rand's wine in chaper 1) and food (soup in chapter 2) would make it fine.

It is like the DO is tainting food just like tainting saidin. There is a dirty filth on the surface of the food, and you have to reach across that filth to reach the nutrition underneath.

It is like food is not rotten like the food being rotten regularly, but it is a form of food poisoning, only much slower. Food is poisoned by a form of the DO's taint, and I wonder if people (both men and women) whould go mad from this new taint if they eat enough food! That would be the reason to start TG before all people went mad from slow food poisoning!

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Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7249 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1981 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1133 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1833 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 984 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1042 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1489 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1439 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1344 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1990 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2081 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 899 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1066 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 966 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1516 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1623 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1525 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1670 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1674 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1696 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1607 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1548 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1527 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1747 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1657 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1535 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1518 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1599 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1543 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1530 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1622 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1664 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1675 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1539 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1529 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1424 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1453 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1474 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1474 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1280 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1514 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1376 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1431 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1511 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2231 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1629 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1547 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1714 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1274 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1602 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1521 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1413 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 947 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1594 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1354 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1481 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1576 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1625 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1709 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1549 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1588 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1681 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1354 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1440 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1411 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1537 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1329 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1532 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1626 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 879 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1517 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1703 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1291 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1661 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1381 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1535 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1291 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1450 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1487 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1506 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1435 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1696 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1122 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1581 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1715 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1528 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1455 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1601 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1390 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1539 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1503 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1749 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1670 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1584 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1347 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1509 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1457 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 869 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1631 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1555 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1504 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1571 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 958 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1428 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1360 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1482 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1484 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1583 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1575 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1509 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1275 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1380 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1372 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1569 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1362 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1413 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1476 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1511 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1472 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1328 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1467 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1508 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1365 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 956 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1259 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1414 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1453 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1442 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1380 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1324 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1390 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1474 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1729 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1555 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1402 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 923 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1408 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1411 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1517 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1452 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1620 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1587 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1417 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 953 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 997 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1330 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1465 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1457 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1477 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1472 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1603 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1497 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1314 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1419 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1552 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1550 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1202 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1634 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1497 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1310 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1455 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1432 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1495 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1517 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1350 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1417 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1518 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 933 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1428 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1370 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1414 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1636 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1431 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1380 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1414 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 917 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1313 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1430 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1273 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1502 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1246 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1403 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1436 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1484 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1487 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1307 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1446 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1430 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1484 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1387 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1412 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1731 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 866 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1484 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1228 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1427 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1331 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1299 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 899 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1558 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1458 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1585 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1446 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1026 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1510 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1536 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 932 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1333 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1302 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1545 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1446 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1408 Views

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