Active Users:544 Time:18/12/2024 02:44:54 PM
Chapter summary Sidious Send a noteboard - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM
The audio clip is 48 minutes long, and it's kind of impressive to listen to. It's the first time that I've listened to an audio chapter and it's rather appealing. That said, if you don't feel like listening to it, here is the chapter summary...

It starts off with Egwene in Silviana's study. She has been beaten again, and she wipes off the tears and looks in the mirror and smiles. Silviana wonders whether her punishment is useless and looks at the lash hopelessly. She marks Egwene down for further punishment, citing that Egwene will probably not show the proper manners when leaving anyway. Egwene says that she's been invited to have dinner with Elaida, which shocks Silviana.

Egwene leaves and is met by Katerine and Barasine, who give her another dose of forkroot. Katerine is amusingly wearing red slashed with black. Egwene notices the halls of the Tower and sees Sisters walking quickly in groups of the same ajah - some even holding on to saidar. She refuses to be early for Elaida because that will show deference, so she decides to hang around outside the Mistress of Novice's rooms and wait. She wants to see if Alviarin will show up. While doing this she asks Katerine and Barasine how they can tolerate the Tower being in such a state of desrepair. Katerine is dismissive and tells her to report to the Mistress tonight again, but Barasine looks troubled. The Mistress's door closes, and Egwene thinks that Silviana has been listening to her rant about the Tower, and she smiles to herself. Egwene tells the two Reds that they should be harsh on Elaida because her legacy will be the Reds'.

The three of them walk off to Elaida's rooms, but on the way the passage is suddenly blocked by a wall, and Egwene says that the Tower is changing on a daily basis, with new passages forming - a sure sign that the Dark One is stirring. She notices a painting of a previous Amyrlin who settled a dispute several centuries previously - but the Amyrlin's face is covered in blood and the people have become dead bodies. Egwene says it is the first time that the Pattern is actually altering reality in things like paintings. She muses on rumours she's heard in the Tower - of how Rand escaped the Aes Sedai, of how Ash'aman captured the Aes Sedai and bonded them.

She reaches Elaida, and Meidani opens the doors. Egwene struggles as to how she'll be with Elaida. She decides to face Elaida head on, but decides that will lead to her execution or imprisonment, making it difficult to win the Tower. She thus decides to be meek and subservient and make Elaida think there is no battle. This proves to be difficult because everything Elaida does enrages Egwene. Egwene notices that Elaida's shawl doesn't contain the Blue ajah, and she thinks that she herself would have chosen Green if she hadn't been made Amyrlin. Elaida's rooms are extravagant and richly decorated, and Egwene muses on how Siuan would have been different. She bows to Elaida and feels the agony of it. Elaida laughs and tells her she expected a fight, after what she heard.

Elaida starts to torment Meidani, who Egwene knows to be a spy. She knows that Elaida knows too. Elaida has forced Meidani to read up on traitors in the Tower's history, and she jokes that maybe Meidani should lose the shawl because she's dimwitted. Meidani is horrified, and Egwene too. Elaida then says that the rumours of the Seanchan are nonsense, and Egwene is very angry about this. She says that her dreaming makes it certain that the Seanchan will hit the Tower soon. Egwene wishes that Elaida knew the pain of the a'dam, and Egwene says that she still has problems with freedom and struggles with her history as a damane. Elaida says that the biggest problem facing the Tower isn't the Seanchan - it's the lack of Aes Sedai obedience. Elaida says she plans to incorporate a 4th Oath - to obey the Amyrlin Seat without question. This causes Egwene such shock she drops the soup she is serving on to Elaida's expensive carpet, and nearly onto Elaida.

Elaida curses and runs to get servants to clean the carpet, but orders Meidani to help Egwene, citing that the carpet cost more than Emonds Field. Lol. Egwene uses this opportunity to tell Meidani to send for her to tutor so that they can chat. Meidani says that she won't be ordered by a novice, but Egwene says that she's the Amyrlin and she better remember that. Meidani realises Egwene's game, and says she'll send for her. Elaida returns and orders Egwene out, and tells her to get beaten, healed, and beaten again - and to return later in the week to serve her.

Egwene goes to the kitchen to eat. The novices have put her cushion on the seat for her sore butt, but she eats alone because it is so late. She washes her plate and catches Laras's eye. Egwene then muses on how Rand is going through the world unguided (which is ominous if you ask me). She then returns to Silviana and notices that she's reading a book on how Amyrlins were raised in the past. Silviana starts beating her after she says what Elaida told her about a 4th Oath. Egwene starts to laugh, and Silviana becomes concerned that her mind is broken. She says she's laughing because they think they can harm her body when the agony of seeing the Tower in such a state is far worse. She plants some seeds in Silviana's mind, and says she has much work to do.
Wheel of Time board admin
Fan of Lanfear
This message last edited by Sidious on 25/09/2009 at 10:54:48 AM
Reply to message
Your thoughts about TGS - chapter 2 *spoilers* - 24/09/2009 03:17:07 PM 7233 Views
Mind-numbingly boring... - 24/09/2009 04:22:52 PM 1970 Views
I thought it was excellent *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:32:05 PM 1128 Views
Only for someone who can't read between the lines. - 24/09/2009 07:40:18 PM 1819 Views
I adored it. *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:37:38 PM 978 Views
Agreed, but only because of the incredibly slow audio reading. FORTY-FIVE minutes for ONE chapter!!! *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:08:27 AM 1036 Views
EVERY Chapter in the entire series is read that way. - 25/09/2009 01:40:07 PM 1480 Views
Yup, they're a lot of fun to listen to. - 26/09/2009 08:26:52 PM 1424 Views
Agreed. As for the speed issue... - 28/09/2009 02:11:13 PM 1331 Views
Cannoli’s journal of listening to “The Nature of Pain.” - 28/09/2009 01:03:35 PM 1973 Views
Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 04:31:01 PM 2068 Views
sounds like its RJs work from the dialogue *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:33:57 PM 895 Views
I agree - I'm certain it was RJ *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:12 PM 1063 Views
Agreed. It was RJ through and through. *NM* - 24/09/2009 04:36:13 PM 962 Views
+1 - 25/09/2009 06:03:44 AM 1499 Views
I should disagree - 26/09/2009 10:34:58 PM 1610 Views
Jordan left tons of background info in notes - 27/09/2009 07:36:11 PM 1508 Views
Re: Chapter summary - 24/09/2009 06:50:36 PM 1656 Views
Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 04:44:28 PM 1658 Views
Well, she's replaced everything else in her life with the Tower. - 24/09/2009 04:47:05 PM 1681 Views
I always thought it was the small town thing - 24/09/2009 04:50:19 PM 1592 Views
Could it be that Fain could have contaminated her in tFOH? - 24/09/2009 04:51:56 PM 1533 Views
Can Fain do that? - 24/09/2009 04:53:57 PM 1512 Views
No he can't (couldn't) - 24/09/2009 05:02:21 PM 1731 Views
So you're saying that an antagonist is being portrayed as idiotic in this series? No way! - 24/09/2009 04:58:15 PM 1640 Views
I this case, I'm quite forgiving - 24/09/2009 05:36:59 PM 1518 Views
What has Gawyn done that demonstrates stupidity? - 28/09/2009 05:21:39 AM 1501 Views
Ambitious people are like that - 24/09/2009 05:08:27 PM 1582 Views
Re: Can someone explain to me where Egwene developed this immense love for the Tower? - 24/09/2009 06:01:46 PM 1526 Views
I don't think its necessarily for the tower itself - 24/09/2009 08:30:15 PM 1511 Views
This made my morning happy. - 24/09/2009 04:45:08 PM 1607 Views
I think it's different. - 24/09/2009 05:51:11 PM 1646 Views
True. - 24/09/2009 07:21:36 PM 1661 Views
Re: True. - 24/09/2009 07:30:06 PM 1528 Views
Re: I think it's different. - 25/09/2009 03:24:22 AM 1515 Views
There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1411 Views
Re: There's still a difference... - 26/09/2009 12:30:28 PM 1440 Views
But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1458 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1465 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1261 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1500 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1361 Views
She also deposes Alviarin... - 26/09/2009 10:47:07 PM 1413 Views
Egwene matured a bit, BUT - 24/09/2009 04:51:53 PM 1496 Views
Ever had rancid oil? - 01/10/2009 08:42:59 PM 2216 Views
Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 04:52:31 PM 1617 Views
Two possibilities that come to mind - 24/09/2009 05:11:41 PM 1534 Views
Or - 24/09/2009 05:45:36 PM 1703 Views
Best idea ^ *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 1269 Views
Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1587 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1505 Views
No they don't - 24/09/2009 11:03:09 PM 1398 Views
Oh, I thought you meant Elaida's new obedience oath *NM* - 25/09/2009 09:15:48 AM 943 Views
Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1577 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1338 Views
Re: Is Alviarin finished? - 24/09/2009 09:08:29 PM 1466 Views
Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1560 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1608 Views
Not finished it yet - 24/09/2009 05:42:18 PM 1691 Views
WHITE! - 24/09/2009 06:20:43 PM 1538 Views
Not White! (spoilers) And Seanchan attack idea. - 28/09/2009 02:26:06 AM 1570 Views
Yes, Mesaana's plain white dress seems somewhat peculiar - 24/09/2009 06:43:45 PM 1666 Views
But what if she has no choice but to stay? - 24/09/2009 08:02:01 PM 1335 Views
Are you kidding? Moridin would kill her - 24/09/2009 10:50:34 PM 1422 Views
She doesn't.. - 25/09/2009 06:36:22 AM 1395 Views
If this is true, it could be a ploy - 25/09/2009 03:06:45 AM 1512 Views
Plus, it avoids getting tangled in the Black Ajah hunt - 25/09/2009 03:11:38 AM 1313 Views
I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1514 Views
I disagree - 25/09/2009 11:08:34 AM 1611 Views
nice idea *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:29:56 PM 875 Views
I liked it *Spoilers* - 24/09/2009 05:49:41 PM 1502 Views
I think... - 24/09/2009 07:01:42 PM 1688 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1278 Views
Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 08:00:09 PM 1650 Views
Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 24/09/2009 08:07:38 PM 1365 Views
Re: Wasn't there a high turnover in War of Power as well? - 25/09/2009 03:43:22 PM 1516 Views
Chosen have been mindtrapped before - 25/09/2009 04:32:18 PM 1275 Views
Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1430 Views
Surely worse happened in the War of Power though before the seals were laid - 24/09/2009 07:58:54 PM 1470 Views
I was totally caught off guard! - 24/09/2009 05:50:39 PM 1493 Views
I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1423 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1682 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1119 Views
is she wrong? - 24/09/2009 08:34:44 PM 1566 Views
The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. Two afterthouts as edits - 24/09/2009 08:43:38 PM 1699 Views
Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1514 Views
I'm sure Moridin knows how to too - 27/09/2009 03:59:49 PM 1440 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 03:38:09 AM 1581 Views
Re: is she wrong? - 25/09/2009 04:30:28 AM 1372 Views
You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 02:23:27 PM 1524 Views
Re: You're totally wrong - 25/09/2009 03:32:22 PM 1485 Views
but she was absolutely essential in the successful completion - 29/09/2009 02:55:13 PM 1733 Views
I like Egwene but I didn't like her statement - 25/09/2009 05:03:33 AM 1654 Views
I agree, and one more reason why I agree - 25/09/2009 02:27:44 PM 1576 Views
I disagree in some ways - 25/09/2009 03:23:35 PM 1331 Views
I agree, and that is Rand's problem in the first place. - 25/09/2009 07:27:22 PM 1493 Views
Rand should invoke the 'Law of War' against the DO - 25/09/2009 06:19:56 AM 1438 Views
She wants part of the glory. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:47 AM 863 Views
What will happen first: black ajah hunt ends or Seanchan attack the WT? - 24/09/2009 08:38:43 PM 1618 Views
I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 08:44:03 PM 1540 Views
Re: I can never decide what I think will happen - 24/09/2009 09:25:18 PM 1491 Views
I disagree, the Rebels are better protected - 24/09/2009 09:36:19 PM 1553 Views
I agree with you. Rebels are harder to take (rebels have Asha'man too) *NM* - 24/09/2009 09:59:10 PM 954 Views
So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1418 Views
Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:09:28 PM 1345 Views
Re: Yet according to one of Min's visions, Carlinya gets made "property" - 29/09/2009 03:23:45 PM 1464 Views
OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 03:38:16 PM 1470 Views
Re: OK, I didn't remember the details correctly - 29/09/2009 04:11:22 PM 1566 Views
Harnan's tattoo is of a hawk, not a raven - 29/09/2009 04:37:27 PM 1562 Views
Oops. Then no other interpretations. - 29/09/2009 04:51:07 PM 1499 Views
Potential for conflicting prophecies? - 26/09/2009 08:49:04 PM 1259 Views
no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1366 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1357 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1555 Views
As said - 25/09/2009 06:37:46 AM 1352 Views
Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1399 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1460 Views
Seems unlikely to me. - 25/09/2009 01:44:27 PM 1494 Views
Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1457 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1312 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1451 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1488 Views
The Seanchan attack will happen first - 24/09/2009 10:47:50 PM 1346 Views
I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 952 Views
I'm kinda hoping Mesaana hands them all in a basket to Moridin. - 25/09/2009 02:51:55 AM 1244 Views
Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1398 Views
Both at once, I don't think it will be a neat A then B, or B then A - 25/09/2009 03:53:30 AM 1440 Views
How would they possibly hear of Turan in Arad Doman? - 25/09/2009 02:34:34 PM 1430 Views
Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1368 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1312 Views
I didn't catch any hints as to Mesaana's identity. Were there any? - 24/09/2009 08:51:23 PM 1374 Views
Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1458 Views
Also... this makes me miss RJ even more - 24/09/2009 08:52:52 PM 1715 Views
I experienced just the opposite - 25/09/2009 06:40:53 AM 1535 Views
Totally disagree - 25/09/2009 06:58:36 AM 1388 Views
This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 918 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1398 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1396 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1503 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1438 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1603 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1567 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1402 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 948 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 990 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1313 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1447 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1443 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1463 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1458 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1586 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1479 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1299 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1401 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1534 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1536 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1184 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1621 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1485 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1296 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1441 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1419 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1480 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1503 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1332 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1405 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1499 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 929 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1416 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1361 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1398 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1618 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1420 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1361 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1399 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 913 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1298 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1414 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1257 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1484 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1232 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1392 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1417 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1475 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1471 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1293 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1431 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1410 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1465 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1373 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1396 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1717 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 860 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1462 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1215 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1411 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1314 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1283 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 892 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1539 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1441 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1569 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1432 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1022 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1495 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1518 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 927 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1313 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1285 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1525 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1429 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1395 Views

Reply to Message