Honestly, Galad joining the Whitecloaks was indictment enough for me.
Joel Send a noteboard - 27/05/2011 11:15:54 AM
In fact, for all the doom and gloom friend and foe alike predict in Rands despotic rule, he's no worse than a lot of monarchs and better than most, so announcing she's the Dragons baby momma would probably please at least as many people as it alienated. It would just incidentally send every Dreadlord, Darkfriend and Shadowspawn on the planet screaming for her throat, not to mention every fanatic, lunatic and/or idiot in full blown denial who thinks the Last Battle can be averted if the Dragon Rebon just isn't there. Politics don't stop her from leaving the father of her children in doubt, despite the fact she's not married, or encouraging the notion that it's an obscure and lecherous Guardsman of dubious reputation. She's not covering her own rear, she's covering Rands and the babies. Of the three siblings, Elayne has the most palatable and, IMHO, most beneficial take on "do the right thing". Far better than Galads habit of sacrificing morality for legality,
I don't think that's really a good definition of Galad's position. That might be how Elayne (and through her claims, Nynaeve) interpreted his supposed moral quandary in tFoH, but aside from the highly prejudicial claims of a woman who freely admitted to hating him in an earlier book, there is actually no evidence of any such doubt in Galad's mind. He never gives the slightest evidence of acting on her suspicions that he might turn them in, and he later brushes aside Nynaeve's pointing out that he is one of the Children of the Light by insisting that he'd never hurt Elayne. Given that Elayne herself, on the same day she expresses her hatred for Galad also concedes that he does not lie, she herself provides the strongest evidence against her contention. As for the issues surrounding Perrin in ToM, I was beating the drum of Perrin's guilt long before the book was released, and the facts are absolute regarding his guilt in the unprovoked murder of two Children. Galad had the word of two men who stood by him to right the wrong done his step-mother, and given the circumstances cannot be faulted for holding Perrin suspect anymore than we could blame Rand or Mat or Perrin for acting against a man the other two swore was up to no good.
No one was ever provided any sort of reasonable case for a lot of the unwarranted assumptions made about Galad's morality early in the books. Elayne's assessment of his character was inspired by some unreasonable childhood prejudice, and one of her most admirable character moments is when she admits to herself that she was wrong on that count. Min's own morality and sense of right and wrong is utterly untrustworthy, as she is never shown to be standing up for any principle other than what will make her friends or loved ones happy. Elayne appears to be the first friend she ever made who so casually accepted her ability or trusted her so much. Of all the female characters, she seems to place the most faith in Min's viewings (to the point of altering her personal perspective on monogamy to fit a viewing), and we see more than once that that characteristic is something she welcomes in people, while the inverse aggravates her. Given this, Min's perspective of Galad, both in comparison to how she herself would approach a situation, and in sympathy with her first and possibly closest friend, is highly skewed to be unfavorable. Given Egwene's habits of twisting morality to suit her personal convenience, Galad's nature would also not appeal greatly to her. For all three women, given the flawed moral perspectives of two of them, and the difficulty growing up as a rambunctious child in the same household, Galad's honor and strict standards of behavior would probably be an unconscious reproach, further exacerbating any hostility to him.
Aside from them, no one else has a bad word for the man. Morgase loves him as much as her flesh and blood children, the Children of the Light put aside their institutional suspicions of his background to accept him, Gawyn's seething envy cannot overcome his identification of Galad's honor, and even Mat, hardly a paragon of dutiful probity in every particular, is able to sift through Elayne's condemnations of Galad to note that he sounds like a model of proper behavior.
Morgase loves her children irrespective of their faults, like any mother, the Whitecloaks accept anyone who demonstrates he shares the zealotry they value above all, Gawyns attitude is more blind hero worship than seething envy and Mat's not exactly the type to consider a model of proper behavior a positive thing. In the end, however, what sunk Galad for me (apart from the fact that I've never encountered a version of Galahad I wouldn't cheerfully beat to death) was joining the Whitecloaks. That whole organization is an institutional embodiment of doing the wrong thing for the right reason, so even without the foreshadowing it wouldn't have been suprising that Galad wound up there. Even if it's not integral to Mantelars manifesto, hunting Aes Sedai as "witches" IS integral to the Whitecloaks now, to the point that their own version of Torquemada overlooks an assassination and coup because he resents his superior withholding Morgase from the rightful torture and execution anyone who's so much as seen the Tower deserves. Galad walked blithely, eagerly and knowingly into that den of madness because the Whitecloaks brand of unreasonable zealotry resonates with him; the conflicts that created between his personal and doctrinal honor are no more than the poetic justice he deserves. He owes Elayne and Nynaeve a favor for never revealing to his cohorts that they can channel, or the immediate demands for their arrest (at best) would've forced him to choose between harming his sister or betraying his oaths to the Whitecloaks. It's a foul organization where integrity and virtue are the exception to the rule of fanatic viciousness rationalized by dogma, and Galad merging so seamlessly into it was all I needed to confirm Elaynes assessment of him.
or Gawyns seeming conviction morality is defined by whatever you find most excruciating at the moment. That's not to say Elaynes balance is flawless, it's just a lot less destructive and unbearable than her brothers.
For the most part I agree, (and with your perspective on her motivation for concealing Rand's paternity - I've gotten used to stipulating a self-interested motive on that front, just for the sake of correcting false accusations regarding other aspects of her rule), but I also can't find any flaws with Galad's moral perspective. Readers are too quick to tar him with the brush of every shady action taken by the Children while, thanks to the PoV trap, giving all the Tower initiates a clean slate regarding their association with the Tower's rather more sordid and extensive history of nefarious behavior, including nearly every sin laid at the Childrens' doorstep, including persecution of channelers, torture and interference with nations.
The Whitecloaks manifestly and routinely engage in all of those things, something Galad knows better than any reader. When he gave them his allegiance, he was fully aware he was giving it to all those things as well. It's pretty clear Jordan intends him to be a reforming influence on the Whitecloaks, and he can write the narrative to make that as successful as he likes, but, realistically, Galad has always had too many of the same traits that encourage zealotry, fanaticism and brutality in the Whitecloaks, so the prospect of him moderating and restraining those impulses isn't very plausible. Galad is too concerned about the letter of the law at the expense of its spirit, which is how a Whitecloak organization founded on the noblest aspirations degenerated into the vicious reign of terror it has since become. "The Children have authority wherever the Light is, witch, and where the Light is not, we bring it". Let's not forget that Galad still counts the man who spoke those words among his cadre; while Gawyn collected the Younglings, Galad collected men like Dain. He may like to delude himself that Eamon Valda represented a minority of Whitecloaks, but their history as presented in the series strongly argues otherwise. At best his membership in their order is remarkably poor judgement in an otherwise very intelligent and experienced character; at worst it's an acknowledgement that even their most brutally draconian practices are justified so long as the victim is duly found deserving. I guess what I'm saying boils down to "lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas"; Galad joining the Whitecloaks knowing their extensive institutional record of legalistic cruelty demonstrates a tacit approval unsurprising in light of his own legalism.
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This message last edited by Joel on 27/05/2011 at 11:24:49 AM
What do you think Morgase should have done?
16/05/2011 08:42:20 PM
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Much as she did, really.
16/05/2011 10:34:11 PM
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Agreed. Elayne's most unfortunate trait in ToM is excessive & impolitic loyalty
17/05/2011 02:39:32 AM
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To be fair, I don't think Elaynes playing "Who's the daddy?" for political reasons.
19/05/2011 08:32:03 AM
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Re: To be fair, I don't think Elaynes playing "Who's the daddy?" for political reasons.
24/05/2011 02:50:30 PM
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Honestly, Galad joining the Whitecloaks was indictment enough for me.
27/05/2011 11:15:54 AM
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The Children have been entirely seen through the perspectives of their enemies - hardly a fair shot
02/06/2011 11:48:53 PM
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Because the world conveniently divides into "the Children" and "their enemies", by mutual agreement.
03/06/2011 01:44:09 AM
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Re: What do you think Morgase should have done?
18/05/2011 12:32:30 PM
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Well, Amador wouldn't have been my first choice.
19/05/2011 08:52:46 AM
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Re: Well, Amador wouldn't have been my first choice.
19/05/2011 12:43:21 PM
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I thought Morgase intended to not involve the Whitecloacks at all when she went to Amadicia
19/05/2011 02:08:40 PM
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Re: I thought Morgase intended to not involve the Whitecloacks at all when she went to Amadicia
19/05/2011 08:29:55 PM
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In terms of what I would've done, attempting to regain the throne would not have been it.
20/05/2011 12:21:05 AM
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