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Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about? Cannoli Send a noteboard - 28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM


Eggy is clearly hiding from her fears and insecurities by delaying their wedding. She's got the moment on her, then she suddenly changes direction. We surely remember another Emond's Fielder putting off commitment, right? In that scene, I almost thought the EF was *making up* the customs of the village.


No, I have no idea to whom you are referring. The only thing I could possibly think of is Perrin, but he was regarding the customs as genuine obstacles to a quick wedding, and had no problem with the idea of getting married. Nynaeve DID make up a Two Rivers custom, but not to avoid marriage, she used the fake custom to invent a de jure relationship status that matched her perception of their de facto status. She told Lan that his giving her a ring back in tGH constituted a marriage proposal in the Two Rivers, as an excuse to insist upon their marrying as soon as possible. Two Rivers marriage customs had no bearing on any of Mat's relationships, and he never once brought up the difference in customs, though if he truly did not want to marry Tuon he could have plausibly used his ignorance of the Seanchan custom as an excuse. As far as Rand goes, he never once mentioned Two Rivers customs to Elayne or Min, though the differing perceptions of courtship he & Elayne both brought to their relationship left them both confused about where each stood with the other. For example, Egwene's suggestions to Elayne, though received with incredulity on her part, might have actually been the more prudent course of action. At that point in his life especially, Rand is sort of oblivious when it comes to women, and subtlety does not work on him (as Berelain had recently discovered). If Elayne HAD proceeded according to Two Rivers methods, Rand might have been hesitant about moving along that fast, but he would have been absolutely clear on where she stood. As it was, after Berelain had given him an impromptu lesson in how subtle and sophisticated women don't necessarily want a commitment before engaging in physical expressions of affection, and given his own self-esteem issues vis a vis Elayne, he had a hard time conceiving of her long-term or sincere interest in him. Meanwhile, thanks to her own inhibitions, she felt used and unappreciated, because he was not apparently reciprocating her feelings. So, this would not have been a case where Rand used Two Rivers customs to evade commitment, though it comes the closest. His incredulous reaction to their trilateral agreement to share him was not specific Two Rivers customs coming to play, but just his general condition of sanity. Not even the Aiel go in for foursomes. Finally, there is his marriage offer to Aviendha, but again, the customs he cited are not that extraordinary, and are perfectly believable to Western society in general, if a bit dated today. And this was not a case of using the customs to avoid marriage, but rather citing the customs as the source of his obligation to marry Aviendha after "taking advantage of her." And of course, Aviendha refused, because by her customs she could not in good conscience accept (it had nothing to do with whose place it was to propose - there is a reason why RJ had her face hidden when Rand proposed: so he/we would not be overtly shown how she wanted to accept - by Aviendha's code of honor, she had poached on Elayne's claim, which she had pledged to uphold, and so thus could not in good conscience take what she had promised to protect for Elayne. Plus in her eyes, his phrasing of the proposal no doubt seemed like a man touched in battle demanding to be made gai'shain to recover his honor.

So, no. I have no idea what Emond's Field customs were used to evade a relationship.
Cannoli
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Egwene vs. Gawyn (ToM spoilers of course) - 28/04/2011 05:01:46 AM 3953 Views
There's fifty feet of crap between rock bottom and your post... *NM* - 28/04/2011 07:40:04 AM 470 Views
Almost three days since the last post...at least I'm trying. - 28/04/2011 12:17:59 PM 931 Views
Sorry about that... - 28/04/2011 10:58:50 PM 992 Views
Ah, its always good to see a good Egwene rant. Bravo! NM *NM* - 28/04/2011 01:58:46 PM 708 Views
Great work, Cannoli - 28/04/2011 02:09:28 PM 945 Views
Regarding the mother's permission.... - 28/04/2011 07:26:29 PM 1014 Views
while i agree with you on most of this - 28/04/2011 04:53:06 PM 1075 Views
hmpf, i post a good point and nothing - 28/04/2011 11:09:53 PM 853 Views
Everybody agrees with you, that's why there were no replies *NM* - 28/04/2011 11:29:13 PM 457 Views
Here's a scary thought - 28/04/2011 11:54:50 PM 1155 Views
OMGWTFBBQ!? - 28/04/2011 11:58:37 PM 914 Views
In regards to the letters... - 28/04/2011 05:28:13 PM 1117 Views
But Gawyn was not Egwene's subject - 28/04/2011 06:09:31 PM 932 Views
Which was why I thought it was appropriate, since he meant to act as Egwene's Warder. - 28/04/2011 06:19:53 PM 896 Views
The only issue is that Warders are not minions - they are honored junior partners. - 28/04/2011 07:39:18 PM 1052 Views
No, the junior partners are Accepted. Warders are essentially personal bodyguards and/or assistants. - 28/04/2011 08:00:17 PM 848 Views
Marriage - 28/04/2011 08:27:53 PM 871 Views
Accepted are not anything, let alone junior partners. Don't think N&E's experience was typical - 28/04/2011 09:32:22 PM 1073 Views
Here's the thing though... - 28/04/2011 11:20:32 PM 898 Views
No, but it's cute and quirky when Faile does it. - 29/04/2011 03:06:50 PM 1066 Views
But... - 29/04/2011 10:52:03 PM 865 Views
That's not really clear - 29/04/2011 11:41:20 PM 992 Views
Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 06:37:42 PM 1005 Views
Re: Actually, it is... - 30/04/2011 11:17:21 PM 886 Views
Didn't Siuan, Gareth and Gawyn tell her about the Bloodknife they encountered? - 02/05/2011 02:33:08 PM 891 Views
My two cents: yes, a little, maybe, and possibly not. - 28/04/2011 06:05:09 PM 1038 Views
Regarding your reference to another Emond's Fielder: What are you talking about? - 28/04/2011 09:06:13 PM 892 Views
It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:10:23 PM 1201 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:25:31 PM 1119 Views
thumbs up to you both *NM* - 28/04/2011 08:45:51 PM 439 Views
Re: It isn't the worst romance in WoT - 28/04/2011 08:46:37 PM 1012 Views
Galad is a great option for a political marriage - 28/04/2011 09:04:46 PM 883 Views
Yes, but... - 28/04/2011 09:40:39 PM 928 Views
but galad knew nothing of berelain's closeness to rand, so that couldn't have affected anything - 28/04/2011 10:12:23 PM 962 Views
Exactly - 28/04/2011 10:27:04 PM 805 Views
Yes. An often overlooked point is that ELAYNE, not Egwene, gains the most power in ToM - 28/04/2011 09:42:43 PM 1262 Views
Except... - 28/04/2011 11:16:25 PM 925 Views
Well... - 29/04/2011 12:14:42 AM 877 Views
Re: Well... - 29/04/2011 08:39:37 AM 863 Views
Except they're both really hot. - 28/04/2011 10:01:46 PM 1059 Views
They were naive - 28/04/2011 11:10:34 PM 886 Views
Re: They were naive - 29/04/2011 03:18:42 PM 1124 Views
I can only quibble; Egwene became so insufferable in ToM I'm convinced her fate will be unpleasant. - 04/05/2011 12:41:53 AM 1026 Views
Siuan... - 04/05/2011 05:42:59 AM 1031 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 07/05/2011 03:35:46 AM 900 Views
Re: Siuan screwed up big time. - 12/05/2011 02:13:08 PM 889 Views
"McClellanesque", eh? I'll have to remember that one. - 16/05/2011 12:12:23 AM 1162 Views

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