7) Be'lal, who'd been killed but whose status has never, to my knowledge, been stated even in an RJ interview.
By name, no, but by all his explanations on balefire... RJ sure confirmed Be'lal is gone.
I find that confirmation inconclusive, because he explicitly said Moiraine could only remove a few seconds with balefire and just as explicitly said several Forsaken (but not Be'lal) cannot be resurrected. He left open a very large door he could easily have closed, though it's entirely possible that's because no one ever asked him about Be'lal.
There would be no point to bringing him back. Why send Taim to Rand, why bring back Aginor to place among the Asha'man if Be'lal's soul was available?
The biggest reason to send Taim rather than Be'lal (and I still kinda like the "Be'laim Theory" because saying Taim is not Demandred doesn't mean he can't be anyone else) would be the risk of LTT spotting him by his behavior. Be'lals statements in the Stone indicate he and LTT knew each other more than slightly even before the War of Power (which, as has been noted in earlier threads, might explain why a "Be'laim" would feign clumsy disinterest in swords). The need for the masquerade is the only reason for Aginor to accept a position of subservience to Taim--yet there's reason why he would do so even among fellow Darkfriends if Taim were not one of the Forsaken. It's entirely possible that he was ordered by Moridin to do so, or that Taim has been "promoted" to nouveau Forsaken, but those aren't the only options. As to why both would be sent to the BT, it makes sense to have a Plan B among a group consisting of every male channeler Rand can find, just as it makes sense to have more than one Forsaken to watch each other as well as Rand. Moghedien wasn't the only one minding the store in Ebou Dar, and Be'lal wasn't the only one on the scene in Tear; in both cases circumstances drew a crowd as surely as the DOs orders, but that should apply to the BT as well.
Be'lal was barely characterized. A sub Moridin as "spider in his web", another traitor like Sammael and Demandred, but without the over the top hatred either. Be'lal is just..lame. Jordan needed the "other generals" as "cannon fodder" but also to build a mood of rivalry between them and so keep the Forsaken split as "clans" early on. In the LB, he no longer needs this. The Chosen Generals competing and moving against one another was all well and good as backstory in the WOS, but in the actual LB the readers want the heroes to triumph over these foes, not Be'lal and Demandred to go at each other's throats while the Light finish both off. Jordan got rid of the Generals one by one, gradually building the mystique of Demandred, to bring him out to lead the LB. Demandred will be given the chance to bring together the various components of his "army" (he's literally "divided to rule" for the moment) but sooner than later he will prove he is a terrible leader, as this army will prove unable to work together for very long, before hatred, ambitions etc. plague it and make it collapse.
I'll be extremely surprised if any of the Chosen who've fallen resurface now, two third into AMOL, when the game is essentially played out. Even Graendal has been dealt with, IMO (she might have a cameo and all, like Mesaana might be mentionned again, but plotwise these two are done).
I'll be extremely surprised if any of the Chosen who've fallen resurface now, two third into AMOL, when the game is essentially played out. Even Graendal has been dealt with, IMO (she might have a cameo and all, like Mesaana might be mentionned again, but plotwise these two are done).
If the DO didn't have plans for tools of as much potency as Graendal (and Moggy, and Lanfear) I doubt he'd keep them around at all; charity isn't exactly his hallmark. Yes, Be'lal has very little characterization; he was present for such a brief time we didn't have the chance to learn much about him and, unlike Aginor and Balthamel we haven't (knowingly) seen him since. That seems a little too convenient; despite his early appearance we don't know more about Be'lal than we do Demandred, making him a very odd duck indeed among Forsaken. It would be rather abrupt to suddenly pull Be'lal back out in the last book as someone we haven't seen or heard from since TDR, but if he does return I expect it to be as someone we recognize. That doesn't have to be Taim (though it would explain a lot, except for the fact that Bashere IDed Taim and we don't know of any disguise weaves that can withstand touch) but finding out that someone we've been watching for half the series is really Be'lal in disguise could prove a very satisfying surprise in a final volume where most fans seem to think no surprises are possible.
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Forsaken-Who's Actually Dead?
25/03/2011 03:31:48 PM
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Re: Forsaken-Who's Actually Dead?
25/03/2011 06:08:49 PM
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I appreciate you acknowledging the admittedly remote possibility of Be'lals return.
27/03/2011 03:57:45 PM
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The DO was aware of Asmodean's death immediately
27/03/2011 04:35:55 PM
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That does not follow from that passage.
28/03/2011 11:19:33 PM
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Re: That does not follow from that passage.
29/03/2011 01:48:25 PM
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Re: That does not follow from that passage.
01/04/2011 01:10:33 AM
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#1 reason (other that BF)I don't buy the Taim =Be'lal theory is Taim's disdain for the sword
01/04/2011 01:32:49 PM
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That assumes Be'lal isn't smart enough to use a misdirection ploy.
01/04/2011 11:59:26 PM
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I'm 99% certain RJ is quoted as saying Taim is not a new Forsaken .. I'll have to look for the quote
02/04/2011 06:28:41 PM
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Re: That does not follow from that passage.
02/04/2011 07:45:17 PM
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While I agree that Taim is most likely Taim, I don't see Demandred as the mastermind here
03/04/2011 05:22:07 PM
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Demandred told us this was 1 day after the events in Caemlyn.
01/04/2011 01:26:50 PM
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Graendal's the most likely source of the DOs knowledge about Asmo, but thereby hangs the tale.
01/04/2011 11:48:27 PM
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I still can't see Be'lal coming back ... what does that do for the story?
02/04/2011 06:22:33 PM
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Who do you think will be the last Forsaken--Lanfear or Ishamael? *NM*
29/03/2011 08:32:41 AM
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