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Why not a gray man then? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 07:52:55 PM
There has been a lot of speculation as to who sent the trollocs, but I'm not particularily concerned with that. I'm more concerned with where they are and why.
At first glance Ebou Dar and the Seanchan seems like a counter productive target for the trollocs. The Seanchan believe trollocs to be imaginary boogie men used to scare kids. Why would the Shadow want to A) blow the surprise. I don't think the force is very large, certainly not on the scale of the 100K that attacked Rand. I would think that it would only anger the Seanchan and strengthen their resolve, not sow chaos and despair. B) more importantly I think it very likely that the early use of trollocs could force the Seanchan towards the Westlanders. At least the Westlanders are human!
I also don't think the Shadow is that dumb. I think there was a specific objective ie Tylee and her force. It is certainly concieveable that there are Shadow spies in her force. If so the Shadow probably knows of Tylee's admiration of Perrin and his abilities. If I were the Shadow I wouldn't want that kind of thing to spread, I'd want the two sides ready to tear out each other's throats. I'd try to make sure that Tylee and command structure didn't survive to make it back to Ebou Dar to be debriefed. Hence the trollocs. Get Tylee, get her commanders, and as many of her force as possible and you've eliminated a possible thorn in your side. The trollocs were specifically sent to ambush her force, kill her eradicate any kind of respect/admiration/good feelings towards the Westlanders.
So what do you think?

NaCl(that's my story and I'm sticking to it)H2O


If the object is to kill Tylee and her top brass why not use a gray man or slayer. Hell, even a few myrddraal popping out of the shadows would be good.

They're only a day's march from Ebou Dar, there's a big risk that someone could escape back to the city and warn them. I have to believe this is the opening move in a major campaign against the Seanchan. After all it makes sense to attack the Seanchan base in the South while most of their men are fighting in Illian and Arad Doman. I wouldn't be surprised if Amador is attacked as well
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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