Active Users:808 Time:19/12/2024 03:27:04 AM
I actually think the evidence points to Graendal being weaker. Lanfear Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 03:39:09 PM


4. It was obviously Graendal who killed Asmodean. She speaks of the seven remaining Chosen, once again not wondering about his fate. Even Aran'gar wondered about him in KoD.
Gah, just say it already Kamarile.


I agree it was Graendal. There was one other clue besides the one you mentioned. When the gateway opens Graendal immediately knows it is Moridin. If she had any doubt about Asmodean being alive, she wouldn't be sure it was Moridin. Of the men, only Sammael, Asmodean, and Moridin knew her location. She is certain Sammael and Asmodean are out of the picture and the gateway must have been Moridin. Graendal killed Asmodean...it's obvious.


6. Graendal's thoughts on her peers interests me. As one of the deadliest of the Forsaken, her opinion counts when she says something. She clearly thinks that Semirhage and Demandred are very dangerous opponents, but she can't decide who is more dangerous. She initially thinks Semirhage, and then Demandred. She even thought that Semirhage was the leader of the trio. This further strengthens my belief that the the six top Forsaken are very similar. She then states that Mesaana is a second rate Forsaken who never achieved any great deeds such as Moridin, Semirhage and Demandred did. This sort of fits in well. Mesaana seems like a broken reed anyway. I just can't take her seriously anymore. I half expect her to cry when she speaks.


Some of Graendal's thoughts shed more light. Particularly her thoughts about Semirhage vs. Demandred vs. Mesaana. These thoughts I do not doubt and I agree that Semirhage and Demandred are pretty much on an equal playing field. Mesaana clearly seems weaker in Graendal's opinion. Before we jump to the conclusion that Mesaana is weaker in the power though, we need to realize that Graendal's thoughts could have been implying much more than just one power strength. I think Graendal was looking at one's ability to manipulate others, control events, etc. It very well could be that Mesaana is just as strong of a channeler as the others, but that she lacks the political maneuvering skills of Demandred and Semirhage.

Also, now that Graendal has an angreal, any statements regarding how she would do against the others have to be scrutinized closely. Of course Graendal's confidence in her ability to confront the other Chosen is boosted. She has an angreal. Without her angreal she might be expressing different opinions about her own ability to confront the others.

I wouldn't call Graendal exactly afraid of Demandred or Semirhage. But there's no doubt that she wonders whether she could take either of them out. I think this is the best evidence so far that Demandred and Semirhage are more powerful than Graendal. Simply put, even with the angreal's boost in strength, Graendal thinks it an even match between her and Demandred or her and Semirhage. That says a lot.


8. Who is 'our woman there' who saw Semirhage hurl fire at Rand? It could be Elza but it might be a secret darkfriend.


There's no way to know at this point.


10. So Moridin and Rand are linked physically, and more tightly that we were initially led to believe. Rand's madness could be from Moridin's TP use. Who knows...


That is one of the most astute observations I've seen so far. I never considered that Rand's madness might not be from the taint on saidin, but could have come from Moridin. That's worthy of deep thoughts.

Lanfear
Reply to message
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 1) *spoilers* - 16/09/2009 04:56:20 AM 5337 Views
Re: TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 1) *spoilers* - 16/09/2009 06:33:25 AM 1548 Views
TGS with Tracy Jordan *NM* - 16/09/2009 07:58:20 AM 683 Views
LOL. That's what I always think of as well! *NM* - 16/09/2009 03:27:27 PM 623 Views
My comments so far - 17/09/2009 05:42:58 AM 1500 Views
lol this is great... - 17/09/2009 06:37:47 AM 1173 Views
Why so many edits? *NM* - 24/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 769 Views
I said I was posting comments as I was reading it - 24/09/2009 06:19:09 AM 1019 Views
So has no one really read it yet or - 17/09/2009 06:55:52 AM 1069 Views
Re: So has no one really read it yet or - 17/09/2009 06:59:09 AM 1204 Views
Re: So has no one really read it yet or - 17/09/2009 07:00:16 AM 1276 Views
Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe? - 17/09/2009 07:07:08 AM 1111 Views
Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe? - 17/09/2009 07:15:35 AM 1161 Views
Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe? - 17/09/2009 07:18:12 AM 1179 Views
Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe? - 18/09/2009 06:19:43 AM 1082 Views
Re: Slow down the Seanchan invasion maybe? - 24/09/2009 12:44:30 PM 1119 Views
First move in a full blown assualt. - 17/09/2009 09:37:00 PM 1180 Views
Re: So has no one really read it yet or - 17/10/2009 01:51:04 PM 1117 Views
Well, spoilers obviously... - 17/09/2009 06:59:01 AM 1529 Views
Maybe it was Demandred. - 17/09/2009 07:01:53 AM 1223 Views
I think it was Lanfear - 18/09/2009 01:31:33 PM 1243 Views
Hmmm...... that does sound like something she would do. *NM* - 18/09/2009 01:53:34 PM 588 Views
Re: Well, spoilers obviously... - 17/09/2009 07:02:34 AM 1309 Views
Re: Well, spoilers obviously... - 17/09/2009 07:09:10 AM 1216 Views
Demandred - 17/09/2009 08:57:11 PM 1196 Views
Re: Demandred - 17/09/2009 09:00:31 PM 1202 Views
I don't think Shara is an option - 17/09/2009 09:10:49 PM 1143 Views
Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest - 17/09/2009 07:16:10 AM 1321 Views
Re: Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest - 17/09/2009 07:23:15 AM 1268 Views
Re: Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest - 17/09/2009 07:30:46 AM 1346 Views
Re: Faile and Moridin biggest points of interest - 17/09/2009 07:37:36 AM 1142 Views
Cruel and shady? - 17/09/2009 07:24:34 AM 1250 Views
I agree. - 18/09/2009 06:29:07 AM 1147 Views
Re: I agree. - 18/09/2009 07:18:22 AM 1074 Views
Oh Honey, - 18/09/2009 07:37:53 AM 897 Views
Lol - 18/09/2009 08:05:28 AM 906 Views
- 18/09/2009 05:39:53 PM 1042 Views
Any idea who in Rand's group leaked the Semi capture, old Dark Friend or new? *NM* - 17/09/2009 07:32:22 AM 667 Views
Elza? *NM* - 18/09/2009 09:45:38 PM 704 Views
This is the only time I have ever liked Faile. Atta girl! *NM* - 17/09/2009 09:20:58 PM 633 Views
Was it just me..... - 17/09/2009 07:17:34 AM 1274 Views
B I'd guess - 17/09/2009 07:24:05 AM 1105 Views
A few thoughts - 17/09/2009 07:31:05 AM 1257 Views
Re: A few thoughts - 17/09/2009 07:53:41 AM 1269 Views
There are only two options - 17/09/2009 09:29:28 AM 1134 Views
Demmy - 17/09/2009 08:24:44 PM 1204 Views
Re: A few thoughts - 17/09/2009 07:09:52 PM 1077 Views
Re: A few thoughts - 18/09/2009 06:31:29 AM 913 Views
Re: A few thoughts - 17/09/2009 07:41:24 PM 1072 Views
That's what first came to mind - 17/10/2009 02:30:12 PM 1259 Views
Help - can't find, need link - 17/09/2009 07:47:14 AM 1026 Views
It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!) - 17/09/2009 08:02:15 AM 1349 Views
Re: It was Brilliant. A review. (Horrible spoilers and some quotes!) - 17/09/2009 08:13:07 AM 956 Views
Ummm... why? - 17/09/2009 08:17:59 AM 1179 Views
Didn't mean in this book, I meant before series end *NM* - 17/09/2009 08:26:34 AM 709 Views
I think Min gets toasted - 17/09/2009 09:34:35 AM 1032 Views
That will happen regardless - 17/09/2009 08:47:51 PM 978 Views
Doubt it - 18/09/2009 02:15:57 PM 912 Views
Ahhh. - 18/09/2009 05:45:27 PM 1012 Views
What about Tam? *NM* - 18/09/2009 05:59:38 PM 648 Views
Tam! never thought of him....excellent choice. *NM* - 18/09/2009 06:05:22 PM 512 Views
Thanks. - 18/09/2009 06:06:34 PM 1010 Views
And right before she dies - 18/09/2009 09:09:45 PM 938 Views
Ash'aman?! - 17/09/2009 03:51:09 PM 1099 Views
Moridin's servants are usually Zomoran. - 17/09/2009 04:22:16 PM 1344 Views
But maybe not here... maybe - 17/09/2009 04:30:40 PM 1131 Views
The logistics make it impossible... - 17/09/2009 04:36:27 PM 1228 Views
It's not impossible, or even unlikely - 17/09/2009 04:52:43 PM 1038 Views
I think it is... - 17/09/2009 06:34:04 PM 1033 Views
Agreed - 17/09/2009 04:28:27 PM 1177 Views
Re: Agreed - 17/09/2009 05:09:45 PM 1081 Views
Re: Agreed - 23/09/2009 01:16:35 AM 1051 Views
Oh my gosh, I never thought of that... - 18/09/2009 07:22:53 AM 1177 Views
Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched) - 17/09/2009 08:27:29 AM 1375 Views
Re: Some major questions (The prologue has really got me psyched) - 18/09/2009 03:04:40 AM 1224 Views
I wondered about Elza too - 23/09/2009 01:24:43 AM 943 Views
I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed it - 17/09/2009 02:02:05 PM 973 Views
Demandred, Moridin, or Lanfear? *spoilers* - 17/09/2009 03:31:41 PM 1374 Views
Forsaken chapter analysis - 17/09/2009 04:19:07 PM 1222 Views
Was it Brandon? - 17/09/2009 04:31:07 PM 1113 Views
- 17/09/2009 04:41:28 PM 1051 Views
Mesaana is definitely an Aes Sedai. - 17/09/2009 06:19:56 PM 1286 Views
About OP strength - 18/09/2009 09:28:45 PM 1047 Views
Re: About OP strength - 19/09/2009 01:20:32 PM 852 Views
I actually think the evidence points to Graendal being weaker. - 18/09/2009 03:39:09 PM 1090 Views
Rand vs. Graendal? - 23/09/2009 01:41:02 AM 950 Views
Thulin is my new fav - 17/09/2009 04:23:08 PM 1195 Views
Don't forget "lighter than a feather." *NM* - 17/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 699 Views
Go Thulin!! *NM* - 18/09/2009 06:55:20 AM 735 Views
Shara in Tarmon Gaidon and Darkfriend army - 17/09/2009 04:33:23 PM 1296 Views
Re: Shara in Tarmon Gaidon and Darkfriend army - 17/09/2009 08:51:15 PM 1116 Views
It seems more and more possiable - 18/09/2009 12:41:19 AM 993 Views
Random thoughts - 17/09/2009 06:19:53 PM 1003 Views
Thoughts on Graendal's POV - 17/09/2009 07:31:04 PM 1059 Views
Re: Thoughts on Graendal's POV - 17/09/2009 08:06:54 PM 970 Views
Bulgakov? *NM* - 17/09/2009 09:19:14 PM 759 Views
Re: Thoughts on Graendal's POV - 18/09/2009 03:31:57 AM 981 Views
very happy with the prologue - 17/09/2009 09:46:20 PM 1100 Views
I gorged on it way too fast, when I should have savored it... - 17/09/2009 10:18:08 PM 988 Views
Loved it. Especially the first part with the blacksmith.. - 17/09/2009 11:52:59 PM 918 Views
Completely enjoyed it. (Obviously spoilers) - 18/09/2009 01:01:54 AM 1103 Views
Tylee - 18/09/2009 05:51:18 AM 1086 Views
That was my hope. - 18/09/2009 06:35:41 AM 975 Views
Re: That was my hope. - 18/09/2009 08:12:02 AM 1056 Views
Re: That was my hope. - 18/09/2009 09:41:40 PM 1016 Views
Thought on Mesaana - 18/09/2009 01:13:48 AM 1068 Views
I wouldn't think it would be feasible. - 18/09/2009 02:59:26 AM 971 Views
Still, the white does perhaps mean something - 18/09/2009 07:23:58 AM 1015 Views
Trollocs attack on the Seanchan - 18/09/2009 03:18:57 AM 1753 Views
Re: Trollocs attack on the Seanchan - 18/09/2009 04:50:44 AM 1138 Views
Trollocs Scouting party? - 18/09/2009 08:56:16 AM 1120 Views
Seems Demandred is the one doctoring Masema's mind - 18/09/2009 12:27:50 PM 1223 Views
Forsaken Chapter - 18/09/2009 10:42:33 PM 1072 Views
Okay. I've been out of the loop for months, sadly. - 25/09/2009 05:24:34 PM 1038 Views

Reply to Message