The Unbearable Lightness of Being is a wonderful, insightful book.
Kundera is pure delight, "L'Insoutenable" is one of the most memorable books I've read between 16-20 (this one read after a fervent sale pitch by the teacher whose opinion on "good writers" you don't agree with. I forgot to mention before his advice came with a whole lot of passionate opinions about who he thought were great writers - a list you'd fully agree with!).. I don't like all that much where Kundera has gone with L'immortalité and haven't read his more recent ouput.
Most people who like fantasy and science fiction have at least heard of Umberto Eco, a brilliant writer who has touched on esoteric topics in The Name of the Rose and Foucault's Pendulum.
I adore Eco's books. Eco's novels have to hold the record for the number of books they've inspired me to read afterward.
I enjoy Viktor Pelevin, a Russian writer who has been translated into English, although there is a bit of a pop-philosophy feel to his books that keeps me ambivalent about whether or not he's really a good writer or not.
Anthony Burgess' Clockwork Orange is far better than the movie of the same name
... And I also had a Burgess phase. He was brilliant.
Some authors I did not like at all (Steinbeck, any Bronte sister, Gunter Grass).
I rather enjoyed Grass decades ago (well 2 decades ago, I'm just 42...) or at least some aspects of his work, but I completely agree on Steinbeck and the sisters. I would add to the list Hemingway, and Miller. I liked the few De Lillo I've read, and I had a lot of fun reading John Irving as a youth, but overall my relatively low interest in American culture has tended to make me stay away from modern American writers in general or made them low priority, except for my occasional ventures in genre fiction. The American writer I've loved the most (at some point anyway) and read the most is probably Burroughs (Kérouac we rather consider an expatriated local writer, so he doesn't count...). Woody Allen, though I wouldn't say his writing ouput is what stands out.
I've enjoyed Marquez, but not as much as some.
Others I think are pure genius (Pasternak, Dostoevsky, Bulgakov, Nabokov, Wilde, Flaubert, Mann, Thackeray, Dante, Molière, Fitzgerald, Dickens, Hesse, Orwell, Huxley).
I haven't read Fitzegerald, and I would rate what I read by Huxley more as brilliant in terms of ideas and vision than in form, but otherwise it's not a bad list at all. I have not ventured anywhere as far as you in Russian literature, but I've loved Pasternak, and Dostoevsky in the mid-90 French translation was a real rediscovery after the laborious experience with him in college (the older ones are really bad, the translators sought to "enhance" him by giving him a style close to Tolstoy's). Mann is pure genius.
My own list would forcibly include many more French (or Francophonie) writers beside Flaubert who is maybe the best of them all or at least in the top three: Maupassant (from Flaubert's circle, though a more minor writer), Camus, Zola, Boris Vian, MacOrlan, Raymond Queneau, Alfred Jarry., Romain Gary/Emile Ajar Laferrière, Anne Hébert, Réjean Ducharme, Tremblay (those four I consider the true world-class great writers Québec produced so far, of those Ducharme is the most unique/brilliant, to my taste), Malouf, Kadra among more recent ones.
For the stage? Ionesco, Beckett, Racine, Molière, Stringberg, Mueller. More recently Mouawad. I'm not a big reader of plays, though.
The very old writers? I've loved François Villon, Marie de France, loved Tristan et Iseult far more than I did Arthuriana (Malory puts me to sleep, De Troyes mysticim is a major irritant), Rabelais of course. On the english side Swift, more than De Foe. Dickens. Perreault's and Lafontaine's French is lovely. I have a fondness for Saint-Simon and a deep admiration for his brilliant handling of language.
Then there are those that I can appreciate in some sense but not in others (like Joyce, Kerouac, Chekhov, Tolstoy, Dumas, Cervantes, Salinger).
Joyce can get irritating. Salinger is OK, I guess. Dumas for me falls more in the "guilty pleasure" category ("guilty" because they're long books and I should spend my very limited time reading new stuff than occasionally re reading Dumas.. same thing for Jordan and co., incidentally) than that of the great writers. A good writer considering the constraints he worked under, a great storyteller and one whose characters took a life of their own, but "great writer" I'm not sure. It's hard to put him in that category, in the greater picture of French literature in particular (I sometimes half think people love to label him a classic mostly because it's one old writer they find easy and interesting enough to read). Dumas's French is nice, musical - and the grammars feature quite a few Dumas quotes, but his French remains very academic and conventional for his time - Dumas's genius such as it is lays elsewhere.
As for those I've had troubles with despite their reputation, the "classics" among them would certainly include Proust (his descriptive passages alone must fill the space of 2-3 WOT books if not more - and his paragraph long sentences are annoying) and Claudel, Sainte-Beuve. Voltaire's Candide kind of bores me. A lot of Hugo bored me, though his French is great(his poetry I just can't stand). Balzac is another I take only in small doses. I just can't stand Céline. Sand wrote well but bores me. Another I find most forgettable is Sade (That the term sadism was coinded will never make him one the great writers IMO). It tends to annoy me when I see Verne raised to the status of "great writer" by some (it's rarely done by the French). The worshipping of Druon as some sort of "great writer" by some is annoying (the man himself is even more, though!) - his writing is laborious and academic (and a total reactionary, wanted to be a new Flaubert in the days of the likes of Camus, ended up being a sub-Dumas at best) and though his storytelling is entertaining for young people (I liked him well enough at 13, just couldn't stand his writing when I tried to reread him a few years ago), there's also more historical falsehoods in Les Rois Maudits than in Dan Brown- I think the next time someone argues back to me "I think you're wrong about this or that, it's not how it happened, read Les Rois Maudits) I'm gonna bite him (at least most people today know better than to take a Dumas novel as a history book.. aside from their wild beliefs about figures like Mazarin or Richelieu anyway...).
The whole "Nouveau Roman" movement bored me, Alain Robbe-Grillet in particular. Sartre was a very significant philosopher, but I find his fiction pretty much forgettable, his writing style even more. I could also add quite a few of the French darlings of the last decade - too much about style, not enough about storytelling, IMO.
Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
21/02/2011 05:41:31 PM
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I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured writer.
21/02/2011 06:44:21 PM
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Re: I personally see it as more of RJ being a fantastic story teller, but not a well structured
22/02/2011 10:59:25 PM
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What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
23/02/2011 08:08:26 AM
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Re: What do you think about the Southern Gothic authors?
23/02/2011 10:51:57 AM
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For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
21/02/2011 11:13:34 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence. *NM*
22/02/2011 02:39:20 PM
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Re: For the same reason that most people think they have above average intelligence.
22/02/2011 02:41:37 PM
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That's possibly the best explanation of literary criticism I've ever seen.
23/02/2011 02:47:12 AM
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I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
22/02/2011 07:29:20 AM
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Re: I can take a shot at that, since nobody else seems willing to.
22/02/2011 11:23:38 PM
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That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a channeler.
22/02/2011 11:30:52 PM
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Re: That has very little to do with anything unless you can provide a real-world analogy to a
23/02/2011 12:02:24 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, the only way to gauge whether an author is good or not is ...
22/02/2011 03:58:17 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me how Jordan is not a particularly good writer?
22/02/2011 06:27:11 PM
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I think it has more to do with limitations imposed by how the story was organized and edited.
22/02/2011 07:50:18 PM
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That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
23/02/2011 02:15:12 AM
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Re: That's interesting, and I have a weird agree/disagree here; also, that Adam Roberts sucks
23/02/2011 11:02:14 AM
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adam roberts reviews
23/02/2011 03:53:49 AM
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And I suspect those who prefer the BS books are those who largely read WoT for the story. *NM*
23/02/2011 08:06:16 AM
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Oh GAWD!... not another pointer to Robert Adam's incoherant muckraking
24/02/2011 07:47:35 PM
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I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
22/02/2011 10:32:51 PM
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Re: I think DomA answered the question best, but the "do you like it" argument is weak.
22/02/2011 11:16:24 PM
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The Necronomicon isn't actually a book, you know. *NM*
22/02/2011 11:28:29 PM
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There are nine, actually...
23/02/2011 12:04:55 AM
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Lovecraft's Necronomicon was fictitious. If you want to count fanfiction, fine. *NM*
23/02/2011 12:38:07 AM
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Based on how poorly worded that response was, I'm not sure what to think of it. *NM*
23/02/2011 12:13:00 AM
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I hope I am misunderstanding you.
23/02/2011 10:57:47 PM
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Re: I hope I am misunderstanding you.
24/02/2011 10:41:09 AM
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If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
24/02/2011 10:32:01 PM
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Re: If the core of the story is all that matters, why read a book
24/02/2011 11:23:42 PM
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So wait, style is good?
25/02/2011 12:32:07 AM
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That depends...
23/02/2011 03:00:35 AM
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I didn't say aesthetics was the primary criterion. I named three criteria.
23/02/2011 05:39:03 AM
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the "do you like it" is the most important criterion
23/02/2011 10:45:17 PM
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If you don't mind me asking...
24/02/2011 01:05:12 AM
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I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
24/02/2011 05:35:27 PM
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Re: I don't mind that you ask, but I'm not going to engage in a defense of literature.
24/02/2011 11:26:55 PM
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I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
25/02/2011 01:57:15 AM
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Re: I'm sure you have a wonderful job awaiting in fast food service.
25/02/2011 08:56:06 AM
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...
25/02/2011 01:07:22 AM
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It is not a serious question.
25/02/2011 01:53:59 AM
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Is that so?
25/02/2011 05:58:31 AM
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I'm not fixated with Jordan.
25/02/2011 03:13:56 PM
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Then why do you keep trying to qualify the passage in relation to him?
25/02/2011 06:29:31 PM
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You're conflating two things.
25/02/2011 07:32:59 PM
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All right, now we're getting somewhere.
26/02/2011 12:40:57 AM
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Okay, here you go. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt as to your sincerity.
26/02/2011 03:20:44 PM
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Thank you, and I agree with all your explanations. *NM*
26/02/2011 07:28:09 PM
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No, it is a serious question, just one that can never be seriously answered.
25/02/2011 03:28:48 PM
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Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
25/02/2011 04:44:57 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
25/02/2011 06:05:18 PM
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I'm not wasting my time proving something to an internet moron and troll like you.
25/02/2011 07:36:19 PM
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Ah yes, the wonderful "dissmiss the person who disagrees with me by insulting him tactic"
28/02/2011 02:30:35 PM
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Re: Your opinion isn't as valid as anyone else's if that's your opinion.
26/02/2011 11:06:26 AM
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Re: I find this whole thing elitist and more than a bit silly
23/02/2011 06:45:05 AM
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Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
23/02/2011 08:03:59 AM
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Re: Why do you think mind-expanding literature is restricted to the classics?
23/02/2011 09:25:10 AM
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Of course people read for pleasure.
23/02/2011 09:04:24 PM
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Ok...
24/02/2011 08:59:27 AM
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"Yeah well, that's, like, just your opinion, man." Good argument.
24/02/2011 03:43:24 PM
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I'm curious to hear who Tom and DomA consider a "very good writer"?
24/02/2011 05:49:13 PM
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Among living writers?
24/02/2011 08:16:08 PM
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My list would be similar...
26/02/2011 07:24:11 AM
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That was a very good list.
26/02/2011 03:07:31 PM
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Re: That was a very good list.
27/02/2011 04:51:43 AM
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Oh, and another question
27/02/2011 05:28:47 PM
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Re: Oh, and another question
01/03/2011 03:42:02 AM
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I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
27/02/2011 11:14:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
28/02/2011 11:51:49 PM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
03/03/2011 12:01:30 AM
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Re: I think the two of you have taken too narrow a meaning of 'great'
03/03/2011 02:17:06 PM
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He's a great storyteller, but his prose is somewhat uninspiring. *NM*
27/02/2011 07:28:00 PM
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