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The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM
It seems to me that the Fisher King/Messainic mythos is about a person dying for others. Without the other people, the Fisher King is nothing but an individual connected to the primal undercurrent of the earth - they need a community and society to make their sacrifice mean something, otherwise any victory they achieve is Pyrrhic in nature.

Thus it seems to me that interpreting the Fisher King story to mean that this person is the be all and end all with noone else having any greater importance overlooks what the role of the Fisher King is. If Rand were to win, but Elayne, Egwene, Mat, Perrin and Nynaeve were to have failed in their individual quests, I would say that the world would perish anyway, though not at the Dark Ones' hands. As Min's vision showed us so early on in the series, without the others working for the greater good, Rand's spark of light could not match the darkness, and only when the other sparks started joining with him, were other points of light able to converge so that the light could be equal to the darkness.

That vision indicated that the Dragon Reborn is a necessary condition to win Tarmon Gaidon, but the roles of others can be necessary, as well. Rand's felt this multiple times in the series, but the earliest IMO was during "The Great Hunt" - all Rand knows is that if he didn't go and try to rescue Egwene, some aspect of him would have failed. I'd argue that he was sensing the necessity for him to save her in order to acquire a necessary supporter to make his mission succeed. The Pattern may very well have endowed Egwene, Mat, Perrin, Elayne, Nynaeve and Min with their gifts and advantages so that each could be transformational figures in their own rights without Rand having to be everywhere at once.
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Rand is the Great Serpent - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 1759 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 507 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 545 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 466 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 448 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1114 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 979 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 509 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 897 Views
A good example - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 915 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 835 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 978 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 887 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 956 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1140 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 801 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 786 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 867 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1037 Views
*NM* - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 403 Views
*NM* - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 472 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1046 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 931 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 946 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 956 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 920 Views
That was Tam. - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 969 Views
That is a key difference. - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 801 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 934 Views
Not at all! - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 844 Views
You sound like Ishamael - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 914 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 903 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 988 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 984 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 747 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 926 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 818 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 863 Views
What depresses me... - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 771 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 878 Views
It is of little consequence - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 842 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 481 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 388 Views
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