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Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM
I agree with your list. I may, perhaps, place Moiraine a little higher, to reflect the fact that she is undoubtedly above average, and also push Daigian up a little bit to account for 37.5% of the population being below her strength.

But that's all. Most of the rest seems about right, and I think it doesn't make much difference that I place Egwene at 75 and Moggy at 80, with Nynaeve at 95. Those are minor differences.


to make more room for women like Bode and Nicola between Cadsuane and Egwene as well as to account for her being about as strong as Amys (45) and Melaine (35), and Moghedien higher than you to make more room for women like Tamela and Viendre and to make sure there is an obvious gap from Egwene up to Moghedien ... in the end it doesn't make much of a difference though.

I make Moiraine just under 50% of maximum strength because I think AS in general skew toward the weaker side of Average. Cadsuane made mention in NS that 1000 years earlier there would have been 50 women of Moiraine's strength in the Tower and a good many Stronger, so I put her just under the 50% point to account for that statement.

I also admit that the dexterity bonus may get smaller as you go down the scale or could be different in every woman ... perhaps Moghedien gets a smaller Dexterity bonus than Graendal, thus making the effective gap between them even larger than their strength gap... or perhaps Siuan is more dexterous than Cadsuane makeing the effective gap more narrow than their actual strength gap ... we don't know enough of that particular measure to be certain.

One other thought occurs to me the Aviendha quote about Egwene's strength is probably more likely a look at her absolute potential not her current strength ... Aviendha is very new to Channeling at this point and probably doesn't know the difference yet. Egwene could likely have been about a 65 to Amys 45 and the shield would have held, but been a challenge for Amys to hold for a prolonged amount of time. By the time Egwene gets to Salidar Elayne is likely around a 60 and Egwene a 70 or so with Nynaeve probably up to the low 90s.
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actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1007 Views
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Got you now... - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 939 Views
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Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1229 Views
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spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 860 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 861 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 846 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 902 Views
Nynaeve's strength - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 954 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 623 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1034 Views
Minor quibbles aside... - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1034 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 847 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 982 Views
shrugs - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 908 Views
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I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 835 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 891 Views
Thanks for clarifying - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 809 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 870 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 481 Views
Cool! *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 524 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 822 Views
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well... - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 959 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 881 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 629 Views
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what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 916 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 577 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 504 Views
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Circular reasoning... - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 924 Views
Agreed. - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 967 Views
Agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 585 Views
agreed *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 604 Views

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