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We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow Send a noteboard - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM
There are multiple indications that there is a significant gap between Nynaeve and the most powerful female channeler.

Alivia is twice referred to as being "considerably" and then "significantly" stronger than Nynaeve.

ON Linda's list on 13th depository - which I sometimes disagree with, but not in this case - she has about 3 levels above Nynaeve, backed by solid evidence.

And this is confirmed by the fact that Semirhage has at least three levels of female Forsaken above her as well - Graendal then Cyndane and then Lanfear.

The gap is real. And as we've said before - there are many factors influencing "who would win in a fight", some of them random.

But this gap does give a clear advantage to the stronger members of the Forsaken. Whether that advantage is driven home or not would of course depend on the particular set of circumstances.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2226 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1159 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1178 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1109 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1109 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 989 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1080 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 960 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1075 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 530 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 516 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1092 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 942 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 958 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 942 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 900 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 989 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1007 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 875 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 960 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1137 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1050 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1051 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 978 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 995 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 993 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 806 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 538 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1022 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 888 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 947 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 896 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 859 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1014 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 962 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 939 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 944 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 936 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1025 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 888 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 924 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 977 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1084 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1034 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1018 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 869 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1124 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 879 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1295 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 963 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1229 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1002 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 567 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 894 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 886 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 983 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 897 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 834 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 799 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1097 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1044 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 883 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 880 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 957 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 860 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 861 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 846 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 901 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 954 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 623 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1034 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1034 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 846 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 982 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 908 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 911 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 835 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 891 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 809 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 870 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 481 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 524 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 822 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1216 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 959 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 881 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 629 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 935 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 855 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 872 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 769 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 926 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 956 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 878 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 991 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 861 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 916 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 577 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 504 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 757 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1070 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 865 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 889 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 980 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 924 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1174 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1003 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 967 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 585 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 604 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 992 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 934 Views
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