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Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM
The evidence presented, in terms of Mogh and Asmo, just proves what we pretty much already know: Mogh is the weakest of the Forsaken in raw power. This is muddied by the fact that she is among the strongest in manipulation of T'A'R and best at sheer survival, but I don't see any indicator that Asmo is effectively superior to Mogh - if he relies on raw power with saidin but can't keep up with any of the others, than he effectively rates below Mogh, which IMO is pretty much in line with Lanfears' summation of his personality and abilities.

In fact, from his showing in The Shadow Rising while he battled Rand, he seems more akin to what we've seen from Moghedien than any other Forsaken, and if his raw power seems limited by lack of skill, training and overall ability making him effectively the least dangerous of the surviving Forsaken.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2299 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1239 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1256 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1190 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1192 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1062 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1167 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1040 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1177 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 563 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 547 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1154 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1038 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1044 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1050 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 986 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1088 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1094 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 960 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1044 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1214 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1134 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1133 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1056 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1082 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1070 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 891 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 571 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1112 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 960 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1021 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 991 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 945 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1102 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1058 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1018 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1021 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1043 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1100 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 967 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 998 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1064 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1160 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1124 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1109 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 956 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1209 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 982 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1374 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1052 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1313 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1092 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 601 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 974 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 975 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1069 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 981 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 923 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 890 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1196 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1140 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 963 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 959 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1043 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 935 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 914 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 935 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 989 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1030 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 659 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1122 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1111 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 928 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1065 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 989 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1015 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 916 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 949 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 903 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 954 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 515 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 548 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 916 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1307 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1043 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 964 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 670 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1017 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 927 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 949 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 851 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1017 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1029 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 977 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1062 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 953 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 996 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 613 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 530 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 849 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1174 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 944 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 978 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1061 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1005 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1256 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1087 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1058 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 614 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 629 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1069 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 999 Views
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