Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 04/02/2011 01:52:55 AM
I just returned this book to the library, so I'll have to [closely] paraphrase, but when Rand and Lanfear are fighting,
Rand "channels a club of Air to hit her in the head" and she slices his weave.
This seems a bit improbable to me, given that women are unable to even sense that a male has embraced the Source,
never even minding the fact that they can't see each other's weaves
I know if she knows where the weave is, she can slice it without seeing it [she tells Rand that herself],
but I find it very unlikely she would KNOW a club of Air was going to be swung at her head, when there would be no warning, as there would be with a ball of fire or whatnot, where you could see it..
That Rand would be holding the Power at that moment was hardly a Sherlock Holmesian feat of deduction. She has also been seized by Rand with Air before. Elsewhere mention is made that channelers tend to do things the same way all the time, so it could have been as simple as Rand weaving Air at her in the same general direction, though with a different end in mind. Rand "channels a club of Air to hit her in the head" and she slices his weave.
This seems a bit improbable to me, given that women are unable to even sense that a male has embraced the Source,
never even minding the fact that they can't see each other's weaves
I know if she knows where the weave is, she can slice it without seeing it [she tells Rand that herself],
but I find it very unlikely she would KNOW a club of Air was going to be swung at her head, when there would be no warning, as there would be with a ball of fire or whatnot, where you could see it..
Don't forget also, Rand only saw the results. For all we know she was spinning a whole series of cutting weaves around herself, intending to snap anything Rand tried to touch her with. Or maybe she had some sort of ward around herself intended to show her any place a weave of saidin drew near to her.
I know sometimes objects made with Air appear silvery-blue, but most times the Air weaves we "see" are invisible, e.g. bonds woven of air to hold people.
I dunno, that just kind of bugged me. I know it doesn't do the plot advancement much good if Rand knocks her out; Mo doesn't get to get stuck in Finnland, etc. But it just strikes me as implausible.
He blocked her stuff too, and he was far less experienced. If he could, there's no reason she can't, especially given that RJ has said women have great skill with the weaves. I dunno, that just kind of bugged me. I know it doesn't do the plot advancement much good if Rand knocks her out; Mo doesn't get to get stuck in Finnland, etc. But it just strikes me as implausible.
While I've got you here, did anyone find it strange the Wise One's had such a precise dream about the exact date everyone would show up at Rhuidean from Tear?
How did Moiraine know it was Sammael ruling in Illian, when from her own PoV we know she knows almost nothing about most of the Forsaken.
How did she know it was Be'lal in Tear?
How did Moiraine know it was Sammael ruling in Illian, when from her own PoV we know she knows almost nothing about most of the Forsaken.
How did she know it was Be'lal in Tear?
Interrogating Darkfriends, maybe. Figuring out that the suspicious new leading nobles in each nation were Forsaken would not have been hard given that seems to have figured out their presence from the behavior of the residents. With that in mind, she could have got in touch with her sources in either place (and given her two decade search for the Dragon Reborn, she would almost certainly have taken pains to put eyes and ears in two such cities with significance in end-times prophecies - Illian with its ties to the Horn of Valere, and Tear with Callandor), and gathered enough data to extrapolate which one was which. Though she asks Loial for help with info on Bel'al in Tear, and admits she does not know of the data he offers, the implication is that she DID know all the other things Loial mentions about him, and so could have figured it out from what she did know. And who knows what they might have let slip to her eavesdropping technique? Rahvin gave Mat an awful lot to go on, and Mat wasn't even trying to spy. Moiraine could certainly have used her eavesdropping trick in the same way Egwene did in LoC, albeit with greater skill.
As for the Wise Ones, they're half-wild barbarians. Their dreams might have showed them exactly what season and month the events they foresaw take place in from things like the sun, etc. Maybe the length of the shadows as He Came with the Dawn in their dream-visions was indicative. Maybe they knew that He Who Comes With the Dawn had to show up by a certain date, and they wrote the letter based on that. Don't forget, they were in the Stone for a considerable time - it was early spring when they got there and after midsummer by the time we catch up to them in the beginning of tSR. If the Wise Ones were predicting the date the Stone would fall, they missed by a number of weeks, and the Aielman did not hand over the letter until the last night they spent in Tear. Hell, for all we know, they spoke to the messenger in his dreams and told him to date and seal the letter they had given him!
I had others I had thought of, but they apparently leaked outta mah head when I wasn't paying attention...
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
04/02/2011 01:05:56 AM
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I thought of another...
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Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
04/02/2011 01:52:55 AM
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Re: Question about Rand and Lanfear's battle before Moiraine's game-saving tackle, and other ?s
06/02/2011 08:15:43 PM
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You're misapplying practices.
07/02/2011 01:08:22 PM
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Still disagree...
08/02/2011 06:11:38 AM
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Re: Still disagree...
08/02/2011 11:58:19 AM
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Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
09/02/2011 05:45:13 AM
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Have YOU?
15/02/2011 12:47:39 AM
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She doesn't have to overhear them to know that something is fishy
21/02/2011 10:35:41 AM
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Some ideas
04/02/2011 08:26:09 AM
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No, I think RJ just didn't think it through, seeing as Rand sliced Lanfear's invisible weaves too...
04/02/2011 11:42:38 AM
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it's different
04/02/2011 02:21:44 PM
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So what stopped Lanfear from flicking him against the skull with a surprise club of Air...
04/02/2011 02:33:53 PM
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Gestures and Weaves go hand in hand and since flows originate from the body you can logically
05/02/2011 05:45:00 PM
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In general, only third age Aes Sedai gesture when they weave - it's a block imposed by training.
07/02/2011 06:20:33 PM
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Not true
08/02/2011 01:54:17 PM
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Your example proved my point - LTT only said that it was needed for certain weaves.
08/02/2011 04:20:28 PM
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Hmm...
08/02/2011 05:38:13 PM
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It's a flawed and incorrect given all the examples we've seen in the books.
08/02/2011 08:36:32 PM
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Verin could not see the weaves
08/02/2011 10:16:56 PM
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Also...
08/02/2011 11:35:20 PM
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Well, that's partially the point I'm bringing up.
09/02/2011 03:19:07 PM
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I disagree that the better assumption is that she set complex and renewing wards
10/02/2011 06:12:07 PM
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I never said she could - I said she sensed them, and felt the woman's channeling.
09/02/2011 03:04:00 PM
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I think she had a ward to detect saidin, and when it was triggered, she guessed it would be Air
04/02/2011 04:40:46 PM
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