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Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran Send a noteboard - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM
The balance is that men can handle more of the One Power flowing through their bodies in general, and in certain Links, they need to lead. In all fairness, it's a nebulous question. It is somewhat like asking 'Women can get pregnant and men can't. What is the men's balance for this?' I don't believe any of these abilities were supposed to be "balanced with each other" insomuch as they were simply facts to be dealt with.


Of course we all know that neither men or women can get pregnant on their right? It takes at least one of each in the act :p

Linking on the other hand does not require a man, it is optional, however I do get the idea your trying to put across.

Let's not forget that RJ made the strength and Dexterity "rules" as a trending guideline. Men are on average stronger, however Lanfear was almost as strong as LTT/Rand. Women are on average more dexterous with their weaves, however I'd Bet Rand/LTT are more dexterous than all but perhaps Lanfear.

Men do have an advantage with their strength. More men can open gateways unaided than woman. Women can link to achieve this same end, but that requires trust and time. This concept could be said of any weave that requires a lot of the power, or raw strength.

I would argue that some of the comparisons being made are flawed as well. When Nyn was locked in a power struggle with Moggy, it was everything she had thrown at her, and vise versa. Moggy got stuck in an arm wrestle instead of the boxing match she could have won. Rand and Asmo did not. They were leveling mountains and throwing massive attacks at each other. They boxed, Asmo was the trained professional, Rand the untrained brute. I would say that because the two battles were completely different that the Moggy is less "strong" than Asmo is moot.

Moggy ( raw str ) = Nyn ( Raw str )

Rand ( Str+Dex ) = Asmo ( Str+Dex ) (with rand being stronger, but less dexterous)

And Rand ( raw str ) ? Nyn ( raw str )

Therefore we can conclude that Asmo (raw str) is less than Moggy ( raw str ).
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2225 Views
Huh? - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1159 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1177 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1106 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1108 Views
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Bullshit... - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 960 Views
Unbiased view... - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1073 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 530 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 516 Views
Don't agree - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1090 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 941 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 957 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 942 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 900 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 988 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1005 Views
here ya go they were all Forced - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 873 Views
Nope... - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 960 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1137 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1048 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1049 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 976 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 994 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 991 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 805 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 536 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1020 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 895 Views
How... - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 858 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1012 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 961 Views
Got you now... - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 936 Views
You're clearly delusional... - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 942 Views
You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 934 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1025 Views
Ok... - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 886 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 923 Views
Re: How... - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1083 Views
They're very close now... - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1033 Views
That is unfortunately not true... - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1016 Views
It is... - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 869 Views
Re: It is... - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1124 Views
Yup... - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 877 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1293 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 961 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1228 Views
No - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1001 Views
CLAPS *NM* - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 566 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 893 Views
Indeed - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 884 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 983 Views
I agree with you here - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 896 Views
I don't think that's true.. - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 834 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1095 Views
I think this is a no brainer - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1042 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 883 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 880 Views
Disagree... - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 956 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 860 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 861 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 845 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 897 Views
Nynaeve's strength - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 954 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 623 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1034 Views
Minor quibbles aside... - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1032 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 845 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 981 Views
shrugs - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 907 Views
Re: shrugs - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 909 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 834 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 888 Views
Thanks for clarifying - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 807 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 866 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 481 Views
Cool! *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 524 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 822 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1215 Views
well... - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 958 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 878 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 628 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 935 Views
Yup. - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 854 Views
Trivial - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 871 Views
Uhhh... no... - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 769 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 924 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 955 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 877 Views
wrong - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 988 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 858 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 916 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 577 Views
Yes. *NM* - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 503 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 757 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1068 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 863 Views
And a 1000 years ago... - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 887 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 978 Views
Circular reasoning... - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 922 Views
Agreed. - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 966 Views
Agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 585 Views
agreed *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 602 Views

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