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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
The very idea that a whole continent of people are all untrustworthy and dishonorable is absurd enough, but the only thing you're basing this on is the word of the conquerors of these very people. Of course they're going to claim that they were bringing enlightenment to a barbaric people. That's how most hegemonic powers have justified their expansions in history. I find it absurd that you swallow all their crap completely, and then use this to state that a whole continent is tainted.

I don't necessarily believe this either. However, there is precedent in Shara and the Aiel Waste, and presumably also the Isle of Madmen. If Ajimbura is typical of a rural Seanchan commoner, then the conquerors may be right.

Further, if the people of the Wetlands have an inherent system of justice and honor that will allow them to survive the absence of the Seanchan, what justification do they have for their invasion and their intent to export their bigotry and persecution?

Their initial justification is through military might and the threat of force. However, their hostile takeover is being legitimized through popular support, which they are gaining rapidly. The vast majority of people in the conquered countries (those not counted among the ranks of channelers, high nobility in some cases, and other dissidents) seem to prefer the peace and stability of the Seanchan regime.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2078 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1052 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 494 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 835 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 860 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 850 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 810 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 416 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 413 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 451 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 795 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 717 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 975 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 772 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 823 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 676 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 870 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 850 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 419 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 410 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 431 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 392 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 915 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 748 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 774 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 784 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 776 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 715 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 703 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 849 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 834 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 802 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 856 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 818 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 793 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 788 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 769 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 774 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 828 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 749 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 767 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 761 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 870 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 701 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 733 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 937 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 429 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 690 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 410 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 759 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 881 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 774 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 720 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 783 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 800 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 789 Views
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