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Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM
Just a random thought on Sanderson's comment that there are only 6 women stronger than Nynaeve on RJs list ... then it started occurring to me that Cadsuane has never been particularly overawed by Nynaeve or Alivia's strength in the Power, and she's made a couple of interesting comments about Strength:

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An Arrival

Cadsuane scowled, a fearsome sight. "No one has come to the Tower in a thousand years who could match me. No one to match Meilyn or Kerene in almost six hundred.

interesting that she specifically points out "has come to the Tower" in this statement ... almost as if she's encountered a woman stronger than her who never went to the Tower.


Then she makes this interesting statement in

WH
The Hummingbirds Secret

And she had not been put through the lessons that what must be endured, could be endured. In truth, Cadsuane sympathized with her. Somewhat. It was a lesson not everyone could learn in the Tower. She herself, full of pride in her new shawl and her own strength, had been taught by a near toothless wilder at a farm in the heart of the Black Hills.

Then there is the comment Cadsuane makes about it being 270 years since she last encountered a task she could not complete ...

It all paints a picture that Norla was extremely strong in the OP ... perhaps she's the mysterious woman who is also ahead of Nynaeve on the list ...



I think Norla owned the paralis net and Cadsuane tried to overwhelm her with the Power, only to be overwhelmed herself. The paralis net does have an angreal and several other neat toys. Its likely Norla gave the paralis net to Cadsuane after she's taught her for a while, as a badge and as a gift.


the question is really how Norla got Cadsuane's attention in the first place ... it's not like Cadsuane would have immediately known what the Paralis Net was ... given she was knew to the Shawl and "full of her own Strength" it just seemed logical that Norla being of extraordinary Strength is what would have been the one thing to draw Cadsuane's attention.


It's not impossible that she was drawn to Norla's strength, but its more likely she was consumed by her newfound status as an Aes Sedai and tried to control Norla in some way. My best guess is that she discovered that Norla had an angreal and tried to claim it as Tower property and got her ass handed to her.

Anyway, I think Nynaeve is the strongest woman to have lived on the mainland since the Breaking, including wilders. Obviously other women like Sharina have been discovered since then, but she's pretty much hinted as the highest strength ever seen since the AOL.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2050 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1105 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1038 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1139 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 947 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 965 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1000 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 971 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1046 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 900 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 853 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 761 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 850 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1082 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 893 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 961 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 998 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 732 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 438 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 818 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 769 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 854 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 912 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 884 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 470 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 932 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 726 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 820 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 791 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 741 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 414 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1047 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1053 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 879 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 861 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 826 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1146 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 913 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 872 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 805 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 925 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 722 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 804 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 405 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 869 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 930 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 751 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 902 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 773 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 876 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 816 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 787 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 357 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 736 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 826 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1062 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 958 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 842 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 845 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 939 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 894 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1064 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 860 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 953 Views
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