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Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM
It's just that it sounds unlikely that if/when the channeler is revealed, that it will be Norla. We don't know how much stronger Nyn is than Caddy (or do we)? Still, it's pretty clear that Cadsuane gained her special trinkets when she met Norla. It's much more likely, then, that Norla had the trinkets on. Caddy probably got all haughty, then got schooled (figuratively and literally).


Only that Cadsuane is not as strong as Egwene/Elayne, but was the strongest women to enter the Tower in about 1000 years. The trinkets were something Norla gave Cadsuane over time (she had to earn them IIRC) but it seems unlikely that a woman of less than notable strength would have been able to even grab Cadsuane's attention when she was new to the Shawl and still very wrapped up in her own Strength. No real evidence that Norla could have been stronger than Nynaeve, but it would explain why Cadsuane of all AS never more than passingly notices how strong Nynaeve is ... she's pretty much unimpressed.


This we know, because Nynaeve is about 50% stronger than Egwene and about 3 times as strong as Moiraine. Cadsuane falls somewhere between Moiraine and Egwene.

The female strength list could well go something like this.

Moiraine 30
Cadsuane 40
Egwene 50
Nynaeve 75
Alivia 90
Lanfear 100

Obviously, there is some room for error there, but it would not be substantial.

Queue a Darius diatribe regarding Egwene being 80% as strong as Lanfear or some such absurdity (smiley face).


there has not been a single comparative quote between the two in the entire series.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM 2143 Views
It's a nice idea, really newyorkersedai - 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM 1198 Views
we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM 1129 Views
Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM 1235 Views
Still sticking to the nonsense I see... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:14:12 AM 1032 Views
you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM 1056 Views
Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear... fionwe1987 - 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM 1088 Views
*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously? darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM 1054 Views
tGH, but I agree... fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM 1143 Views
Re: tGH, but I agree... Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM 984 Views
I think it's a matter of perspective too darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM 915 Views
Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot... Shannow - 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM 845 Views
Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM 955 Views
Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it... Shannow - 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM 1168 Views
I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM 987 Views
Circular logic... Shannow - 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM 1052 Views
Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything? darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM 1088 Views
Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted. Shannow - 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM 830 Views
Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM* darius_sedai - 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM 476 Views
Wait... what? fionwe1987 - 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM 910 Views
Re: Wait... what? Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM 855 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM 947 Views
Yeah, but... Zeratul - 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM 995 Views
Therer is a direct quote in New Spring darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM 968 Views
Yup... *NM* fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:42:15 PM 507 Views
Thanks Zeratul - 28/01/2011 04:05:47 PM 1021 Views
Not really the case though darius_sedai - 28/01/2011 04:54:28 PM 810 Views
That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve? Shannow - 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM 929 Views
So Elayne is Cadsunae in you stupid play? fionwe1987 - 28/01/2011 02:44:07 PM 879 Views
Getting hot under the collar and irrational again, I see... Shannow - 28/01/2011 03:01:14 PM 839 Views
right tGH but still! *NM* darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:02:57 PM 451 Views
It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series... Shannow - 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM 1135 Views
it's obviously a stretch, just a random thought darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 08:26:49 PM 1138 Views
Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM 967 Views
true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson darius_sedai - 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 951 Views
Possibly? But unlikely. redqueen - 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM 916 Views
The 6 are... Shannow - 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM 1237 Views
I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM 1004 Views
Agree and disagree... Shannow - 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM 965 Views
Re: Agree and disagree... Sidious - 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM 891 Views
I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility. Shannow - 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM 1011 Views
I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM 811 Views
Not really Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:15:59 PM 888 Views
Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM* Vidarfe - 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM 457 Views
I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM 963 Views
Re: The 6 are... Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM 1031 Views
This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM 834 Views
I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM 990 Views
I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM 858 Views
Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years darius_sedai - 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM 966 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 24/01/2011 03:56:00 PM 906 Views
Possible... fionwe1987 - 25/01/2011 12:17:42 AM 882 Views
none whatsoever ... purely speculating here *NM* darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:44:15 PM 389 Views
Not necessarily sleepinghour - 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM 831 Views
But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM 917 Views
nah Sidious - 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM 1123 Views
it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM 1061 Views
Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments Sidious - 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM 939 Views
I can see that as a possibility too darius_sedai - 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM 948 Views
Re: I can see that as a possibility too Sidious - 27/01/2011 07:38:31 AM 1040 Views
we'll always disagree I suppose darius_sedai - 27/01/2011 04:47:42 PM 981 Views
Strongest since the breaking? I disagree Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/08/2011 01:09:37 PM 1150 Views
I doubt it. Gher - 26/01/2011 03:53:33 AM 957 Views
Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve? ljgibbs - 26/01/2011 09:31:36 AM 1033 Views
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