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Questions of Treason
"Close the door," he said quietly, returning the plaque to his pouch, and she obeyed. She wanted to run. She wanted to plead for mercy. But he was a Seeker, so she stood there, trembling. To her surprise, he dropped her diary back into the lockbox and gestured to the room's single chair. "Sit. There is no need for you to be uncomfortable."
Slowly, she hung up her cloak and settled onto the chair, for once not caring how uncomfortable the strange ladderlike back was. She did not try to hide her shivers. Even one of the Blood, even one of the High Blood, might quake at being questioned by a Seeker. She had a small hope. He had not simply ordered her to accompany him. Perhaps he did not know after all.
...
Seekers were the secret hand of the Empress, might she live forever; in the Empress's name, he could put even Suroth to the question, or Tuon herself. True, he would die horribly if it turned out he had been in error, but the risk was small with Egeanin. She was only of the low Blood. If he put Egeanin to the question. . . .
To her shock, rather than simply telling her to obey, he sat studying her. "I will explain certain things," he said, and that was a greater shock. Seekers never explained, so she had heard. "You are no use to me, or the Empire, unless you survive, and you will not survive if you fail to understand what you face. If you reveal a word of what I tell you to anyone, you will dream of the Tower of the Ravens as a respite from where you will find yourself.
The very fact that a Seeker could put the Heir to the Throne to the Question on the suspicion of treason says it all IMO ... not a single one of the examples you gave has a thought about "the Seekers ain't so bad" ... not thinking of them at all isn't the same as not fearing them! Naturally the characters that have actually committed treason are the ones to think actively about the Seekers, but note what else Bethamin says in her POV from WH Questions of Treason:
Lying to a Seeker was treason
Every law in the Seanchan Empire is designed to keep the populace under tight control. The Seekers make the KGB or the Savak or the friggin Nazi SS look tame!
Questions of Treason
"Close the door," he said quietly, returning the plaque to his pouch, and she obeyed. She wanted to run. She wanted to plead for mercy. But he was a Seeker, so she stood there, trembling. To her surprise, he dropped her diary back into the lockbox and gestured to the room's single chair. "Sit. There is no need for you to be uncomfortable."
Slowly, she hung up her cloak and settled onto the chair, for once not caring how uncomfortable the strange ladderlike back was. She did not try to hide her shivers. Even one of the Blood, even one of the High Blood, might quake at being questioned by a Seeker. She had a small hope. He had not simply ordered her to accompany him. Perhaps he did not know after all.
...
Seekers were the secret hand of the Empress, might she live forever; in the Empress's name, he could put even Suroth to the question, or Tuon herself. True, he would die horribly if it turned out he had been in error, but the risk was small with Egeanin. She was only of the low Blood. If he put Egeanin to the question. . . .
To her shock, rather than simply telling her to obey, he sat studying her. "I will explain certain things," he said, and that was a greater shock. Seekers never explained, so she had heard. "You are no use to me, or the Empire, unless you survive, and you will not survive if you fail to understand what you face. If you reveal a word of what I tell you to anyone, you will dream of the Tower of the Ravens as a respite from where you will find yourself.
The very fact that a Seeker could put the Heir to the Throne to the Question on the suspicion of treason says it all IMO ... not a single one of the examples you gave has a thought about "the Seekers ain't so bad" ... not thinking of them at all isn't the same as not fearing them! Naturally the characters that have actually committed treason are the ones to think actively about the Seekers, but note what else Bethamin says in her POV from WH Questions of Treason:
Lying to a Seeker was treason
Every law in the Seanchan Empire is designed to keep the populace under tight control. The Seekers make the KGB or the Savak or the friggin Nazi SS look tame!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Avienda's viewing and the Fields of Merrilor (spoilers)
28/12/2010 06:21:05 PM
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Indeed...the bleak future makes the Last Battle almost an anti-climax...
28/12/2010 08:20:31 PM
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And yet, the only places of relative peace and shelter right now are Seanchan controlled lands.
29/12/2010 03:21:37 AM
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Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither..
29/12/2010 10:27:35 AM
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Says the person defending monarchies and oligarchies, some of them quite brutal.
29/12/2010 02:12:56 PM
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LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point?
29/12/2010 10:00:11 PM
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Re: LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point?
29/12/2010 10:44:12 PM
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Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes?
30/12/2010 10:00:43 AM
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Re: Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes?
07/01/2011 05:28:03 PM
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"romantic characteristics"
07/01/2011 06:06:31 AM
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Re: "romantic characteristics"
07/01/2011 05:30:33 PM
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Don't blame the Seanchan, The Aiel made an excuse to start a war.
08/01/2011 09:20:36 AM
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Re: Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither..
29/12/2010 03:06:16 PM
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They are pretty close to evil. Slavery being the big thing, but the crushing social scale is far
31/12/2010 06:45:59 PM
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The Aiel sold slaves to Shara, does that make them evil? No society in Randland is without flaws.
07/01/2011 05:10:32 AM
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you are missing my point
07/01/2011 11:31:11 PM
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We haven't had a POV from a NON-high-ranking Seanchan
08/01/2011 03:13:26 AM
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As to Bethamin ...
20/01/2011 04:46:36 PM
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No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant.
08/01/2011 09:48:51 AM
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Re: No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant.
08/01/2011 10:04:18 AM
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Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either
08/01/2011 11:00:31 AM
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Re: Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either
09/01/2011 02:08:17 AM
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That's funny, I'd choose modern day China in a second.
09/01/2011 06:37:24 AM
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Hong Kong is not an accurate representation of the rest of Modern China
20/01/2011 04:50:20 PM
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~sigh~ Cosmopolitan China is different than Rural China
21/01/2011 01:00:17 AM
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well there is also the fact that Hong Kong has different "rules" than even other major
21/01/2011 05:38:46 PM
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I'm not just talking about Hong Kong though...
22/01/2011 09:36:20 AM
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I've traveled extensively
22/01/2011 06:02:47 PM
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You've traveled to China extensively?
22/01/2011 07:41:30 PM
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the quesetion you responded too is "would you rather live in Medieval Europe of Modern China
22/01/2011 09:47:24 PM
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Actually, China is changing.
09/01/2011 06:32:58 AM
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true to a point, yet China has been under one form or another of totalitarian rule for
20/01/2011 04:57:37 PM
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So?
21/01/2011 01:20:18 AM
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It's the comparative to the Seanchan empire I'm really getting at here, not saying China isn't
21/01/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I don't even know why China was brought up in the first place ~shrugs~
22/01/2011 10:04:59 AM
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I totally agree with your last point, which is why I think RJ set them up to be the "Evil Empire"
22/01/2011 06:12:46 PM
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They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way
22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM
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Please. Like anyone else in Randland is really free?
30/12/2010 02:47:27 AM
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Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds
31/12/2010 06:35:29 PM
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Re: Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds
01/01/2011 12:18:46 AM
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Seanchan is much closer to the Chinese culture. Which has never established democracy
01/01/2011 06:12:10 AM
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Prussia (and with it Germany) would never have changed to democracy if not forced to
01/01/2011 12:23:34 PM
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too easy: they did not have to fight the Shadow, they don't even know shadowspawn really exist as of *NM*
29/12/2010 02:44:18 PM
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It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population
31/12/2010 06:00:57 PM
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Re: It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population
01/01/2011 10:58:22 PM
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Word, even the Tinkers are gathering and migrating to Seanchan held lands in the south. *NM*
07/01/2011 05:21:09 AM
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You are right, here is a better analogy
03/01/2011 06:23:16 PM
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Even Hitler didn't think Jews could kill people with their minds
03/01/2011 07:22:09 PM
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It depends on Rand's sperm I guess
28/12/2010 08:27:59 PM
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No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world...
28/12/2010 08:31:27 PM
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Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world...
28/12/2010 08:50:28 PM
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Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world...
30/12/2010 03:56:55 PM
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Because the Aiel are savages who have no place in a modern world
28/12/2010 11:15:23 PM
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Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world...
30/12/2010 04:01:00 PM
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Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess
28/12/2010 11:02:34 PM
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VoG = Veins of Gold. The chapter at the end of TGS where Rand becomes balanced. *NM*
29/12/2010 06:56:38 AM
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timeline in the books
29/12/2010 03:34:45 PM
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Re: timeline in the books
29/12/2010 05:29:11 PM
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Re: timeline in the books
31/12/2010 01:18:32 PM
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yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years. these kids were probably slowing since birth.
03/01/2011 08:19:22 PM
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Re: yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years.
04/01/2011 12:21:59 PM
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your premise is that first generation applies to anyone but them.
10/01/2011 09:25:02 PM
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From a plot standpoint I very much dislike Avienda's visions as well
20/01/2011 01:39:37 AM
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Problem is, the fate of post-TG Randland depends on the viewing being heeded before TG. *NM*
20/01/2011 10:07:15 AM
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The Light's victory in the Last Battle was already a foregone conclusion
21/01/2011 03:48:54 PM
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