Very interesting point. I never noticed that before...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM
One that interferes with a weave from a distance and a separate one that unravels weaves as Cyndane mentions below:
WH
With the CK
Just as it reached the woman, almost close enough to singe her garments, the web of Fire unraveled. The woman did not do anything; the net simply came apart! Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that would break a web, but it must be that.
It would make sense that the ter'angreal Cadsuane used to disrupt Semirhage's MOM was different, or more active, than the passive versions we've seen on Alivia and Mat.
Note the difference in the Semirhage scene:
KOD
A Plain Wooden Box
“No,” Cadsuane replied grimly. “But I can do something about it. Once we’re closer.” Her golden hair ornaments swayed as she tossed her cloak back as though unmasking a sword.
...
Abruptly, no more than ten paces away, she… flickered. For an instant, she was taller than most men. garbed all in black, surprise on her face, and though she still wore the veil, her head was covered with short-cut wavy black hair. Only an instant before the small woman returned, her step faltering as she let her white skirts fall, but another flicker, and the tall dark woman stood there, her face twisted in fury behind the veil. He recognized that face, though he had never seen it before. Lews Therin had, and that was enough.
This seems different than the weave breakers. Even if the flicker was just Semirhage rebuilding the MOM in an instant, the affect was from 10 paces away and affected a weave not directed at the wearer, which we've not seen from either Mat or Nynaeve's ter'angreal. This seems more like a device that slices a weave from a distance at the wearers command.
It's possible that LTT was referring to the defensive ter'angreal, which is supported by Cyndane being unaware of it, rather than the more offensive device Cadsuane seems to possess.
Perhaps the original Paralis-Net included:
Distance Weave Disruptor (that Semirhage encountered)
Well
Angreal
Mood detectors (Nynaeve's set can tell when someone nearby is angry, or has a strong emotion IIRC)
Breaking Era could have included the defensive disruptors like Mat's and the Channeling detectors Demandred mentions.
WH
With the CK
Just as it reached the woman, almost close enough to singe her garments, the web of Fire unraveled. The woman did not do anything; the net simply came apart! Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that would break a web, but it must be that.
It would make sense that the ter'angreal Cadsuane used to disrupt Semirhage's MOM was different, or more active, than the passive versions we've seen on Alivia and Mat.
Note the difference in the Semirhage scene:
KOD
A Plain Wooden Box
“No,” Cadsuane replied grimly. “But I can do something about it. Once we’re closer.” Her golden hair ornaments swayed as she tossed her cloak back as though unmasking a sword.
...
Abruptly, no more than ten paces away, she… flickered. For an instant, she was taller than most men. garbed all in black, surprise on her face, and though she still wore the veil, her head was covered with short-cut wavy black hair. Only an instant before the small woman returned, her step faltering as she let her white skirts fall, but another flicker, and the tall dark woman stood there, her face twisted in fury behind the veil. He recognized that face, though he had never seen it before. Lews Therin had, and that was enough.
This seems different than the weave breakers. Even if the flicker was just Semirhage rebuilding the MOM in an instant, the affect was from 10 paces away and affected a weave not directed at the wearer, which we've not seen from either Mat or Nynaeve's ter'angreal. This seems more like a device that slices a weave from a distance at the wearers command.
It's possible that LTT was referring to the defensive ter'angreal, which is supported by Cyndane being unaware of it, rather than the more offensive device Cadsuane seems to possess.
Perhaps the original Paralis-Net included:
Distance Weave Disruptor (that Semirhage encountered)
Well
Angreal
Mood detectors (Nynaeve's set can tell when someone nearby is angry, or has a strong emotion IIRC)
Breaking Era could have included the defensive disruptors like Mat's and the Channeling detectors Demandred mentions.
I am hesitant to go for the "two types of weave breaking ter'angreal" option, simply because it reduces the rarity of this type of device, and would seem to suggest that One Power nullification items were more commonplace than I would have thought.
Maybe Cadsuane only has one weave unravelling device, but it requires active direction in order to target a specfic area beyond the wearer's immediate vicinity.
Cadsuane seemed to have to concentrate specfically on Semirhage when she used it to unravel her Illusion. Alivia in contrast, simply left it to act passively when facing Cyndane.
Either way, it would appear that Cadsuane's device is indeed different from Mat's medallion, in that it can extend it's reach beyond her own body.
Good pick up.
How did Cyndane defeat Alivia?
31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM
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As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM
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Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM
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RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM*
01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM
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Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes
01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM
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Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill
01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM
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Search for "Alivia"
01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM
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nothing on either url *NM*
01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM
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Try spelling it correctly then
02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM
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Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP
02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM
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Damane don't know about reversed weaves
31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM
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How did *Alivia* survive?
01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM
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Re: How did *Alivia* survive?
01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM
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Yes, odd.
01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM
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Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her
02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM
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Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time
02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM
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reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist.
03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM
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Depends on the circumstances really
04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM
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but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her.
10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM
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Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion
11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM
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Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing.
11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM
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It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge
03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM
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Well that was always going to happen
03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM
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Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail !
04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM
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Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided...
02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM
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Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)...
03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM
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Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM
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Where do you get this idea? *NM*
03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM
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Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net".
03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM
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I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways
04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM
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Very interesting point. I never noticed that before...
05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM
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Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers...
05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM
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inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage
05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM
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I'm confused...
05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM
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Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling?
05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM
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I'd buy this.
05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM
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Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves...
05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM
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Not necessarily.
05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM
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I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL
08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM
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The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers.
09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM
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Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted
10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM
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Agreed
10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM
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I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM*
10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM
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Because Demandred said so...
04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM
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Re: Because Demandred said so...
04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM
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Well there you have it, then...
04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM
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Contortions
04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM
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If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM
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Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM
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I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole.
04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM
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Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding...
04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM
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It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system
04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM
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Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM
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I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic...
04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM
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I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream
04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM
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