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She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ Send a noteboard - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM
Let's look at some of the facts.

1) Alivia was stronger than Cyndane, likely even without her angreal.


No, Cyndane is still the strongest female Forsaken. Just. Alivia was only stronger because of the angreal.

2) Alivia had a fairly powerful angreal which was multiplying her strength by at least 3 times, likely maybe 4-5 times or more. Cyndane had NO angreal.


We don't know how much of an effect they have. 3x is a big increase in strength by itself.

3) Alivia had a ter'angreal to unravel any weaves directed against her directly (similar to Mat's) where she need not even spare the effort to slice it. So the possibility of Cyndane shielding her (even never mind the angreal) would be virtually impossible.


Right, which is why Cyndane didn't try to shield her.

4) Alivia frightens Nynaeve with her strength, and Nynaeve has come face to face with several Forsaken.


The Forsaken frighten Nynaeve.

5) Alivia is approx 400 years old, likely older than Cyndane ie Lanfear was and since the age of 12 or 13 she has been trained solely to be used as a weapon. Cyndane may know more weaves, but no reason to believe she knows more battle weaves.


Lanfear appears middle aged and is therefore several hundred years old, and has battle experience from the War of Shadow - probably more than Alivia! Cyndane clearly has the advantage with battle weaves. Like reversed weaves. If anything, Alivia's training is a disadvantage because she focuses too much on offence.

6) Alivia commented that The Asha'man may be called weapons, but she was confident that she was far, far more lethal of a weapon.


The Asha'man wouldn't stand up to a Forsaken either.

it should have been like Rand dealing with Damer Flinn, ie: No Contest.


Give Flinn an angreal and some defensive ter'angreal and that's pretty much what happened.

Besides luck, and RJ just making Cyndane win how can you explain how Alivia came off the big loser in that fight?


Seriously this time, Cyndane probably struck once and ran. She wasn't going to enter a prolonged fight with Callandor targeting her at the time. I wouldn't call Alivia a big loser, since she did hold Cyndane off.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3449 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1543 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1301 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 835 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1147 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1163 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1089 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 509 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1045 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 875 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 960 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1108 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1201 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1062 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1007 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1348 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1151 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1081 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 961 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 973 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 894 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1025 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 997 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 951 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1094 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 925 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1010 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 958 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 919 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1010 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1130 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1079 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1050 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 466 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1068 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1027 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 973 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 946 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1299 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 952 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1094 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 577 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1035 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 989 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 943 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 868 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 939 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 913 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 916 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 877 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 826 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 930 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 881 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 928 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 801 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 891 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 515 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 873 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 956 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 989 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 855 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7812 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 847 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1029 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 967 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 954 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1082 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 934 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 980 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 906 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1023 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1008 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 936 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1014 Views
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