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Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe Send a noteboard - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM
4) Alivia frightens Nynaeve with her strength, and Nynaeve has come face to face with several Forsaken.

5) Alivia is approx 400 years old, likely older than Cyndane ie Lanfear was and since the age of 12 or 13 she has been trained solely to be used as a weapon. Cyndane may know more weaves, but no reason to believe she knows more battle weaves.

6) Alivia commented that The Asha'man may be called weapons, but she was confident that she was far, far more lethal of a weapon.

Basically between her 388 years of battle experience, her ter'angreal and her quite powerful angreal it should have been like Rand dealing with Damer Flinn, ie: No Contest. Alivia should have actually been able to shield her quite easily.

Besides luck, and RJ just making Cyndane win how can you explain how Alivia came off the big loser in that fight?

First Nynaeve could not actually feel Alivia's strength, she is going off of what others say about her. Take into account that Alivia, while clearly stronger than Nynaeve, may not be significantly stronger once Nynaeve hits full potential (which she had not when she was told Alivia was "considerably" stronger). And even then she isn't in awe or fear, merely frustrated that she may not be strong enough to stop Alivia from helping Rand die. Big difference.


Alivia is considerably stronger than Nynaeve, the Kin made a specific mention about how much stronger she is despite their extreme reluctance to talk about strength differences in the Power. Point is her strength scared them enough to point out that they didnt think Nynaeve could contain her.

Second point. Alivia is trained in battle field fighting, big difference between that and a 1:1 duel with an OP master such as Cyndane. She may very well be a better weapon than the AM, but realistically that doesn't mean much beyond knowing combat weaves. She has no sense of how to adapt her weaves to fight a single combatant and since Cyndane is Reversing she can't see what Cyndane is doing... The ter'angreal only stops direct attacks.



Who says so? This is just your opinion, no facts to back it up. The Imperial family have been assasinating each other for hundreds of years. It's quite possible one damange was forced to go against another and trained in the art of 1-1 combat.


Finally, Cyndane didn't just stand still and wait for Alivia's attacks. She sliced flows and ran her ass off. Oddly Cyndane didn't recognize the Paralis Net as both Semirhage and LTT did... But she clearly knew how to combat the thing.

It's no mystery that Cyndane won the fight.


It's still a mystery as to what happened...

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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 3449 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1543 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1301 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 835 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1147 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1163 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1089 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 509 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1045 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 875 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 960 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1107 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1201 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1062 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1007 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1347 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1151 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1081 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 959 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 973 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 894 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1025 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 997 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 950 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1094 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 925 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1010 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 958 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 919 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1008 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1130 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1079 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1048 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 466 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1068 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1027 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 973 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 946 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1298 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 952 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1093 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 577 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1035 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 989 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 942 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 868 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 939 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 913 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 914 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 877 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 826 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 929 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 880 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 928 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 800 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 891 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 515 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 872 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 956 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 988 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 855 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 7812 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 847 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1029 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 967 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 953 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1082 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 934 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 979 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 905 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1022 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1008 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 936 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1014 Views
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