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Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme Send a noteboard - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM
That's like asking what the Dragon contributed except Sealing away the DO...
Incidentally, she finished the Shadow, once LTT sealed the DO.


Or, perhaps, we could bear in mind that the sane LTT said the women of AoL were wise to refuse to support his plan?


Egwene is committed to stopping something SHE'S decided is unthinkable,

Because the Pattern showed her so...
In a Dream. Dreams are not certain, especially now that the pattern is loose.


You mean the logic of the plot, facts about Dreaming, etc. are all wrong, and RJ intended to break the rules he himself made, and he also secretly told you this? 8}
One of the rules being that Dreams tell about possibilities?



How does her dream show any such thing? It shows Rand breaking Selas and dooming the world. Egwene's reaction isn't even in it!
Ok, now I'll have to check the book when I get it back, but as I recall it wasn't dooming the world, just something terrible happening. The DO being as free as during tWoP is certainly terrible, but also necessary to repair its prison.
I admit I'm looking at this from a readers point of view, rather than Egwenes. But Egwene would have the world do what the WT has tried to do for 3000 years, try to desprately hold the current situation. And where's that got them? a constant decline for 3000 years.


Just that it happens. Its other stuff that hints at the results...

If the result is what you suggest Rand might just do what he threatens to: leave the world to fend for itself. Take off with Min with him and spend the last days in peace?
Stuck in Finnland!
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2224 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1389 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 879 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1165 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1070 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1023 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 533 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1138 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1166 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 943 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1054 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1052 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1057 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1113 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 884 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1046 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 956 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 564 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1003 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1117 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 933 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1169 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 883 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1037 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 950 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1038 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1424 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1049 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 966 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 955 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1062 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1257 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1358 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1131 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1013 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 527 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1085 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 946 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 906 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 832 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 948 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 480 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 913 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1037 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 887 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 911 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 967 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 974 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1093 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1017 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 916 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 936 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1057 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 976 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 979 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1012 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 881 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 974 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1008 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 874 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 953 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 967 Views
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