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Re: Read Dom's post below moratcorlm Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 10:13:04 AM
He said it about the Warder being killed, due to the shock of the coup, not about channeling which she could see, and did see during the same time frame.
Nope. He said she didn't sense channeling because she was busy. She didn't sense Alric being killed because she was shielded, and shields dull the bond.

What he actually said was this: " - For Roland Arien, a lot of people have asked questions about Alric’s death. I should have made matters plainer. As I envisioned it, Alric, having sensed Siuan’s extreme shock, came running to her and arrived just in time to be stabbed just before Siuan was taken into the anteroom. She should have sensed the knife going in, but that was masked by her shock. When she sees him lying there, he is dying, though not yet dead. As I said, I should have made it plainer."

I think you're confusing that with this from TSR47: "She [Siuan] had certainly sensed Leane being bound and never realized it; in the Tower, there was always the feel of women channeling."

She didn't sense Alric's death because of shock. She didn't notice Leane's shielding, in another room, because of carelessness. Both of those are entirely different from not seeing a channeler embrace the Source and weave saidar at her.
To create a reversed or inverted shield? Graendal was able to function perfectly well at the Cleansing despite masking her ability to channel entirely.

Dom's point was that if Mesaana was pretending to be a Brown sister weaker than Siuan, she would have been detected by the women around her when she embraced the source. Then, if her shield was reversed, they'd have all wondered why she reached for saidar.
But, of course, she is already embracing the Source, to create the weave that masks her power. Even if such a weave can be tied off, she's very likely holding saidar anyway; someone as cautious as Mesaana would not enter such a fraught situation without emergency preparation.

Is that really more likely? Have we ever seen a shield effected (not held) by someone who could not see the target before?

Yes. Amico holds a shield on Egwene, Elayne and Nynaeve. Rand stills three sisters even when he's inside the box.


I said (not held) for a reason. Yes, once the shield has been effected, it can be held without watching, and yes, Rand pushes through an existing shield to its source. But that is a different matter from fumbling around with this weave of Spirit and hoping you hit the right person (who is out of sight and most likely too far away to sense) in another room filled with people.

Besides, "more than a dozen" people entered Siuan's office. Surprise was hardly necessary.

It wasn't for surprise. It was caution, to prevent Siuan from doing anything to them. They didn't want an OP fight.


Right. That argues against Dom's position, not mine.
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